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Message:: [QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3187596, member: 19463"]Actually things have been going pretty well with my attempt to ID the bucket (very small bucket) of common cash I have been ignoring for years but I still have questions.  Today's question coins are both ~30mm "large".   The first seems pretty standard compared to the illustration of Hartill 16.286 a fraction of a millimeter "Smaller size" Large coin than the H16.284 "Larger size" Large coin listing which I have not seen.  My Western prejudice questions why these are separated but it seems there must be more to it than the half millimeter.  [ATTACH=full]822375[/ATTACH] The problems come with the second coin.  It is the "Larger size" and shows the variation of the tong as shown on H16.285 (what do you call the added protrusion on the lower left corner?) but the right character seems nothing like the Hartill illustration.  H16.285 is listed as "Claw foot bao" which I would accept as a description of my 'feet' but both sides of mine turn to the left rather than inward as on his illustration.  I have failed to find the right character so I assume this is another case where I am making an incorrect assumption even looking in Northern Song or some such major error. [ATTACH=full]822374[/ATTACH] Again, in addition to the answer, I ask how I should have figured out that I was looking i the wrong place or how I could have identified that right character.[/QUOTE]