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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;rrdenarius, post: 2473333, member: 75525&quot;]I picked up my 3rd cast coin in the Tuder, Umbria series. This semis has a sleeping dog and a lyre. Info on this coin is shown below, but first some pics of the series. My pics of 2 of the 3 are not as good as the vendors (still learning how to shoot my new camera). </p><p>[ATTACH=full]520731[/ATTACH] </p><p>Semis, dog/lyre</p><p>[ATTACH=full]520732[/ATTACH] </p><p>Sextans, fly/trident</p><p>[ATTACH=full]520734[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]520735[/ATTACH] </p><p>Uncia, 2 handed vase / spear head</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Info I normally put in a spreadsheet is below. I found 27 examples on line. Haberline listed over 100 examples.</p><p>Country&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Umbria&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Type or era&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Cent Italy Cast&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Coin type&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; AES Grave Semis, dog lyre&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Mint&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Umbria, Tuder&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Issued by&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Anon&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Mint Date, BC&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -220 to -200&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Weight, grams&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 36.37&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>From internet examples</p><p>Weight - max&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 45.73&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Weight - min&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 23.08&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Weight - avg&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 35.38&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Weight - st dev&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.03&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Number&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 27&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>My coin </p><p>Diameter - max 33.6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Diameter - min 31.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>From internet examples</p><p>Diameter - max&nbsp; 35.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Diameter - min 29.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Diameter - avg 32.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Diameter - st dev 1.8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Metal AE&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>T&amp;V&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 164&nbsp; &nbsp; TV 158 is the same but larger and older&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Vecchi&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 223&nbsp; &nbsp; V217 is the same but larger and older&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Syd AG&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 219&nbsp;&nbsp; AG209 larger &amp; older; Pl20 #4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>HNI&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 46 HNI 41 is the same but larger and older&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Haberline&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Pl 81, 23-26&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Garrrucci&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Pl LV, 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Grade&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; gVF&nbsp; - my grade&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Grade&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; VF&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - vendors grade&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Centering&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; well centered&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Strike&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; cast&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Flan&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; flaws lettering weak or missing&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Style&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; good style&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Patination&nbsp;&nbsp; dark brown tone&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Damage&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; obv and rev have scrapes to metal&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Obverse&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; sleeping dog&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Reverse&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; lyre&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>Obverse&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; dog sleeping in coiled position, TVTEDE (Tuder) in retrograde above and C below</p><p>Reverse&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Lyre, to right C&nbsp; </p><p>Examples Haeberline 125&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Garrucci, Haberlin, Sydenham and T&amp;V list an older series on the liberal standard (As = 256 grams or more). Haberline gave 5 examples of the heavier weight which averaged 118 grams. Haberline gave 128 examples of the reduced weight semis. The average after eliminating 14 damaged coins was 39.9 grams.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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