Another bad boy . . .

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ToughCOINS, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Here's another fake quarter eagle. There are plenty of things to study on this "coin". I just noticed this one for the first time, and have no idea how long it's been out there.

    - Mike

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  3. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Supporter! Supporter

    What is the tell? I have a couple of these raw I bought from LCS. I never even considered authenticity because of that. I know you were PMing some with some sort is 'secret diagnostic.' I'd like to know what it is.
     
  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    So how do you know its a fake? Educate us.
     
  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    They left off the most important thing, the D Mint mark.
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    My first clue was the wear on the obverse and the lack of wear on the reverse. Otherwise Look again. There are more tells.
     
  7. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    That coin also was minted in Philly that year.
     
  8. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    I don't like the stars nor the designers initials, but that might be the angle of the coin.
     
  9. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I think he was saying if you are gonna make a fake 1911, might as well make it a 1911-D to maximize your profit ;)
     
  10. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    :rolleyes:
    I thought of that. But a 1911 D might fall under more scrutiny. Easier to slide by a Philly wouldn’t you think?:rolleyes:
     
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  11. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    The tool marks by the date and the obverse weakness are the first clues for me
     
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  12. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I often see "sinking" devices on lower-quality counterfeits, where low points of the devices appear to submerge under the field and disappear. On this example, I wonder if I'm seeing something similar on the vine under the eagle's claws?
     
  13. I tried circling most of the depressions and toolmarks I saw on the obverse. Obvious fake.

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  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    This is not necessarily diagnostic of a fake. An absence of material from the planchet, such as flaking or a shallow delamination would cause incomplete filling of the die in this area, and may leave one feeling that something about the die was not right, even though that might not be the case.
     
  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    At this point, if I can't tell whether it's a fake or a defective planchet, I'll pass. So I guess we can also blame the fakers if the market for planchet defects starts to tank. :)
     
  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I know but look at the price difference. It's a few thousand dollars.
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    You got it!!
     
  18. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    True
     
  19. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    This post disturbs me. I have only recently in the last few years picked up collecting with a passion having taken 25 years off to raise a family. I always felt I was sharp enough to pick a fake out. I have two of these Indians and inspected mine against this photo. Other than the fellow in the photo appears to be a wee bit more "smiley" than my guys. This piece is disturbingly accurate. What is the giveaway?
     
  20. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

  21. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

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