Another 09s vdb fake

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Owle, Oct 24, 2019.

  1. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    This one just came back as an added "s", a few people who looked at it did not see the problem as obvious. [​IMG]
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    Any idea what the process was in producing such a good fake apparently?
     
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  3. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    The placement of the S is decent-ish. Definitely believable at first glance, but that S is too big for a 1909. The S should be shorter. Also the edge of the lower serif isn't parallel with the edge of the upper serif.

    My VF30 example

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    As for the process... I have no clue. Possibly removed from another cent, 1940s maybe, and glued on. I don't know really. But it does look like an S from a 1940s cent IMO.
     
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  4. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    As I recall, there are 4 mint mark placements. As noted, the closer you mimic one of these, the better at passing it off as legitimate. I've seen a number of fakes online that are truly convincing...most are pretty obvious. However, the safest bet is to buy a slabbed coin. Unless you are very experienced and knowledgeable about S VDBs (including the counterfeiting), throwing a bunch of money down may be an unwise gamble.
     
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  5. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The VDB is a key marker and it's not shown on the OP coin.
     
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  6. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Great point Michael. Use 'all' of the diagnostic markers!
     
  7. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    I got my money back; I spoke with a local dealer who said that the now deceased co-owner of the shop I got it at was a jeweler, and was known to palm off coins like 14-D cents and 16-D dimes with added mint marks on customers. Legal remedies for those ripping off customers like this is if they don't return the money in full, file a complaint with the state and hopefully the state will know what to do with proper evidence.
     
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  8. dividebytube

    dividebytube Active Member

    Glued or soldered on?
     
  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Looks like glue to me. Solder is too much trouble, and you would need to be a master with it to make it work.
     
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  10. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Mint Mark was placed fairly close but no cigar.
    1909 S VDB Map.JPG 1909 S VDB Map Overlaid OP.JPG 1909 S VDB Map Overlaid Real.JPG
     
  11. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    Also there is usually a dot in the "s" from pictures I've seen. The vdb was off as well, which was strange, how is it that a P mint struck vdb and a San F struck one had different characteristics?
     
  12. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Great overlay!! Well done!!
     
  13. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

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