Anglo-Saxon / Viking (?) Coin Weight

4to2centBC · May 25, 2016

I posted this on ancients, but understand that it might be better suited here on World Coins. I invite any insights or opinions since I am still researching this object.

ANGLO-SAXON, Anglo-Viking (Danish East Anglia). Late 9th century. PB 1.33 Eyrir Weight (21mm, 35.85 g). Circular lead weight, obverse inset with Series K, type 32a sceat. Cf. G. Williams, Anglo-Saxon and Viking Coin Weights, in BNJ 69 (1999), no. 5 (for a similar lead weight with inset Porcupine-type sceat). For inset: Abramson 38.40.10 SCBI 63 (BM), 490 SCBC 803C-D. Incuse triangle with raised dot pattern around the edge. Much as made. Very rare and interesting. ex CNG 102 Lot 1421 May 18, 2016

"Williams' analysis of the known weights of this type clearly places them in the Danelaw during the later ninth century, when the Viking economy was still bullion-based, and weights were used for weighing both coinage and bullion.

The purpose of the coins set into these weights remains uncertain, but Williams suggests that they served both a decorative and a practical function as a symbol of authority. Although the Viking economy was still pre-monetary, Williams notes that the Vikings were familiar with coinage and likely recognized that coin designs represented state authority. He also suggests that the Vikings were probably familiar with Anglo-Saxon coin weights, which were validated by the virtue of being stamped with official dies, and argues that the lack of coin dies for use on their own weights was remedied by applying a coin within each. Williams points out that the fact that some of the coins used were issued by Anglo-Saxon kings would have been irrelevant, as the vast majority of the Vikings were illiterate. The present example supports this idea, as the coin inset, a Series K, type 32a sceat struck in east Kent, should have mostly fallen out of circulation in England by this time. Accordingly, the weight could not have been used to validate only a particular series." "quoted material courtesy of CNG Coins."

The puzzler for me is that the sceat is very well preserved. This suggests the weight was created in the late 8th century and not the 9th century. Either that or the sceat was well preserved up til the point it was embedded into the lead.

Anyway, just sharing and looking for any more info that readers may have.

Thanks.

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John N. Cross · May 27, 2016

4to2centBC said: ↑

I posted this on ancients, but understand that it might be better suited here on World Coins. I invite any insights or opinions since I am still researching this object.

ANGLO-SAXON, Anglo-Viking (Danish East Anglia). Late 9th century. PB 1.33 Eyrir Weight (21mm, 35.85 g). Circular lead weight, obverse inset with Series K, type 32a sceat. Cf. G. Williams, Anglo-Saxon and Viking Coin Weights, in BNJ 69 (1999), no. 5 (for a similar lead weight with inset Porcupine-type sceat). For inset: Abramson 38.40.10 SCBI 63 (BM), 490 SCBC 803C-D. Incuse triangle with raised dot pattern around the edge. Much as made. Very rare and interesting. ex CNG 102 Lot 1421 May 18, 2016

"Williams' analysis of the known weights of this type clearly places them in the Danelaw during the later ninth century, when the Viking economy was still bullion-based, and weights were used for weighing both coinage and bullion.

The purpose of the coins set into these weights remains uncertain, but Williams suggests that they served both a decorative and a practical function as a symbol of authority. Although the Viking economy was still pre-monetary, Williams notes that the Vikings were familiar with coinage and likely recognized that coin designs represented state authority. He also suggests that the Vikings were probably familiar with Anglo-Saxon coin weights, which were validated by the virtue of being stamped with official dies, and argues that the lack of coin dies for use on their own weights was remedied by applying a coin within each. Williams points out that the fact that some of the coins used were issued by Anglo-Saxon kings would have been irrelevant, as the vast majority of the Vikings were illiterate. The present example supports this idea, as the coin inset, a Series K, type 32a sceat struck in east Kent, should have mostly fallen out of circulation in England by this time. Accordingly, the weight could not have been used to validate only a particular series." "quoted material courtesy of CNG Coins."

The puzzler for me is that the sceat is very well preserved. This suggests the weight was created in the late 8th century and not the 9th century. Either that or the sceat was well preserved up til the point it was embedded into the lead.

Anyway, just sharing and looking for any more info that readers may have.

Thanks.
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4to2centBC said: ↑

I posted this on ancients, but understand that it might be better suited here on World Coins. I invite any insights or opinions since I am still researching this object.

ANGLO-SAXON, Anglo-Viking (Danish East Anglia). Late 9th century. PB 1.33 Eyrir Weight (21mm, 35.85 g). Circular lead weight, obverse inset with Series K, type 32a sceat. Cf. G. Williams, Anglo-Saxon and Viking Coin Weights, in BNJ 69 (1999), no. 5 (for a similar lead weight with inset Porcupine-type sceat). For inset: Abramson 38.40.10 SCBI 63 (BM), 490 SCBC 803C-D. Incuse triangle with raised dot pattern around the edge. Much as made. Very rare and interesting. ex CNG 102 Lot 1421 May 18, 2016

"Williams' analysis of the known weights of this type clearly places them in the Danelaw during the later ninth century, when the Viking economy was still bullion-based, and weights were used for weighing both coinage and bullion.

The purpose of the coins set into these weights remains uncertain, but Williams suggests that they served both a decorative and a practical function as a symbol of authority. Although the Viking economy was still pre-monetary, Williams notes that the Vikings were familiar with coinage and likely recognized that coin designs represented state authority. He also suggests that the Vikings were probably familiar with Anglo-Saxon coin weights, which were validated by the virtue of being stamped with official dies, and argues that the lack of coin dies for use on their own weights was remedied by applying a coin within each. Williams points out that the fact that some of the coins used were issued by Anglo-Saxon kings would have been irrelevant, as the vast majority of the Vikings were illiterate. The present example supports this idea, as the coin inset, a Series K, type 32a sceat struck in east Kent, should have mostly fallen out of circulation in England by this time. Accordingly, the weight could not have been used to validate only a particular series." "quoted material courtesy of CNG Coins."

The puzzler for me is that the sceat is very well preserved. This suggests the weight was created in the late 8th century and not the 9th century. Either that or the sceat was well preserved up til the point it was embedded into the lead.

Anyway, just sharing and looking for any more info that readers may have.

Thanks.
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Hi 4to2centBC, I have a coin weight that has similarities to yours, which I think is most likely 9th, not 8th century. These silver Sceats are found by metal detectorists today in very nice condition, having been buried for about 1300 years, so I believe that the Sceat embedded in your weight, probably minted about 150 years or so before the weight was made, is not a strong indication that the die itself was created in the 8th century. Like you, I'm trying to find out more about these rare items and if you come up with anything, I be delighted to hear of it. I think it was made between say 867 AD and 925 AD., probably in the earlier part of that timespan. If you can find any evidence for it being earlier, I'd be delighted to hear it and I think you would be breaking new ground. These are interesting pieces, mine has mid 9th century base metal Styca of Northumbria embedded in it, which in itself supports the dating that I've suggested. The weight system they used is also fascinating.

4to2centBC · May 27, 2016

John N. Cross said: ↑

Hi 4to2centBC, I have a coin weight that has similarities to yours, which I think is most likely 9th, not 8th century. These silver Sceats are found by metal detectorists today in very nice condition, having been buried for about 1300 years, so I believe that the Sceat embedded in your weight, probably minted about 150 years or so before the weight was made, is not a strong indication that the die itself was created in the 8th century. Like you, I'm trying to find out more about these rare items and if you come up with anything, I be delighted to hear of it. I think it was made between say 867 AD and 925 AD., probably in the earlier part of that timespan. If you can find any evidence for it being earlier, I'd be delighted to hear it and I think you would be breaking new ground. These are interesting pieces, mine has mid 9th century base metal Styca of Northumbria embedded in it, which in itself supports the dating that I've suggested. The weight system they used is also fascinating.
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Finally, someone who can identify with me (pun intended)

Sceattas and Styca's are quite out of my wheelhouse. I did have a Cnut penny that was in pretty good condition. EF with peck marks, but I assumed it went into the ground early.

I thought a sceat in circulation for 75-150 years would be far more worn. Perhaps this is what 150 years wear looks like?

I would be thrilled to see a photo of your example. There is one on-line with a styca that looks very similar to mine in shape, but it is on a pinterest that no longer exists. A lead weight with an Anglo-Saxon coin in it, seems to be rare as hens teeth. I have read a half dozen pdfs on-line and have searched photos for days. They are mentioned, but there is not much out there.

The weight system is another matter. It is either complex or sloppy and people are making it complex.

I will let you know what I discover.....although I am running out of avenues. I can't find anything equivalent in museum photos either yet. Might write to one.

btw Under a loop, I can see small smooth pebbles, embedded in some of the crannies that appear in the lead (Pb) They look like sand grains, quartz for the most part.

FitzNigel · May 27, 2016

As for the weight system, I would say 'sloppy.' They were rarely precise in the Middle Ages, particularly early on. I would image the weight has also 'lost weight' over the course of a thousand years. If the weight is rounded up to 36 grams, then 12 of them gets close to a pound. There was a point when the accounting of England was 20d. To a shilling, then 12s. To the pound. At some pound the Anglo-Saxon period, the two were reversed (12d = 1s., 20s. = £), but unfortunately I can't remember when that happens. If this is pre-reform, then I would suspect it's was a weight used in accounting to represent a shilling (think of them counting like an abacus). It's weighing as much as a shilling was probably due to the lack of a money economy, and could be used to weigh out a shilling's equivalent of silver.

I should state I have done no research in this, and the above is pure supposition. I have researched the 12th century exchequer quite a bit though, and I would think the 'abacus' method used there could reasonably be used in a different fashion earlier. It's a wonderfully interesting piece though! I was interested in it in the auction (not to purchase, just curious!) and am quite glad someone here got it!

John N. Cross · May 28, 2016

FitzNigel said: ↑

As for the weight system, I would say 'sloppy.' They were rarely precise in the Middle Ages, particularly early on. I would image the weight has also 'lost weight' over the course of a

FitzNigel said: ↑

As for the weight system, I would say 'sloppy.' They were rarely precise in the Middle Ages, particularly early on. I would image the weight has also 'lost weight' over the course of a thousand years. If the weight is rounded up to 36 grams, then 12 of them gets close to a pound. There was a point when the accounting of England was 20d. To a shilling, then 12s. To the pound. At some pound the Anglo-Saxon period, the two were reversed (12d = 1s., 20s. = £), but unfortunately I can't remember when that happens. If this is pre-reform, then I would suspect it's was a weight used in accounting to represent a shilling (think of them counting like an abacus). It's weighing as much as a shilling was probably due to the lack of a money economy, and could be used to weigh out a shilling's equivalent of silver.

I should state I have done no research in this, and the above is pure supposition. I have researched the 12th century exchequer quite a bit though, and I would think the 'abacus' method used there could reasonably be used in a different fashion earlier. It's a wonderfully interesting piece though! I was interested in it in the auction (not to purchase, just curious!) and am quite glad someone here got it!
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thousand years. If the weight is rounded up to 36 grams, then 12 of them gets close to a pound. There was a point when the accounting of England was 20d. To a shilling, then 12s. To the pound. At some pound the Anglo-Saxon period, the two were reversed (12d = 1s., 20s. = £), but unfortunately I can't remember when that happens. If this is pre-reform, then I would suspect it's was a weight used in accounting to represent a shilling (think of them counting like an abacus). It's weighing as much as a shilling was probably due to the lack of a money economy, and could be used to weigh out a shilling's equivalent of silver.

I should state I have done no research in this, and the above is pure supposition. I have researched the 12th century exchequer quite a bit though, and I would think the 'abacus' method used there could reasonably be used in a different fashion earlier. It's a wonderfully interesting piece though! I was interested in it in the auction (not to purchase, just curious!) and am quite glad someone here got it!
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4to2centBC said: ↑

Finally, someone who can identify with me (pun intended)

Sceattas and Styca's are quite out of my wheelhouse. I did have a Cnut penny that was in pretty good condition. EF with peck marks, but I assumed it went into the ground early.

I thought a sceat in circulation for 75-150 years would be far more worn. Perhaps this is what 150 years wear looks like?

I would be thrilled to see a photo of your example. There is one on-line with a styca that looks very similar to mine in shape, but it is on a pinterest that no longer exists. A lead weight with an Anglo-Saxon coin in it, seems to be rare as hens teeth. I have read a half dozen pdfs on-line and have searched photos for days. They are mentioned, but there is not much out there.

The weight system is another matter. It is either complex or sloppy and people are making it complex.

I will let you know what I discover.....although I am running out of avenues. I can't find anything equivalent in museum photos either yet. Might write to one.

btw Under a loop, I can see small smooth pebbles, embedded in some of the crannies that appear in the lead (Pb) They look like sand grains, quartz for the most part.
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4to2centBC said: ↑

Finally, someone who can identify with me (pun intended)

Sceattas and Styca's are quite out of my wheelhouse. I did have a Cnut penny that was in pretty good condition. EF with peck marks, but I assumed it went into the ground early.

I thought a sceat in circulation for 75-150 years would be far more worn. Perhaps this is what 150 years wear looks like?

I would be thrilled to see a photo of your example. There is one on-line with a styca that looks very similar to mine in shape, but it is on a pinterest that no longer exists. A lead weight with an Anglo-Saxon coin in it, seems to be rare as hens teeth. I have read a half dozen pdfs on-line and have searched photos for days. They are mentioned, but there is not much out there.

The weight system is another matter. It is either complex or sloppy and people are making it complex.

I will let you know what I discover.....although I am running out of avenues. I can't find anything equivalent in museum photos either yet. Might write to one.

btw Under a loop, I can see small smooth pebbles, embedded in some of the crannies that appear in the lead (Pb) They look like sand grains, quartz for the most part.
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4to2centBC said: ↑

Finally, someone who can identify with me (pun intended)

Sceattas and Styca's are quite out of my wheelhouse. I did have a Cnut penny that was in pretty good condition. EF with peck marks, but I assumed it went into the ground early.

I thought a sceat in circulation for 75-150 years would be far more worn. Perhaps this is what 150 years wear looks like?

I would be thrilled to see a photo of your example. There is one on-line with a styca that looks very similar to mine in shape, but it is on a pinterest that no longer exists. A lead weight with an Anglo-Saxon coin in it, seems to be rare as hens teeth. I have read a half dozen pdfs on-line and have searched photos for days. They are mentioned, but there is not much out there.

The weight system is another matter. It is either complex or sloppy and people are making it complex.

I will let you know what I discover.....although I am running out of avenues. I can't find anything equivalent in museum photos either yet. Might write to one.

btw Under a loop, I can see small smooth pebbles, embedded in some of the crannies that appear in the lead (Pb) They look like sand grains, quartz for the most part.
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There's a very interesting article in 'The British Numismatic Journal' of 1999, by Gareth Williams of the 'British Museum'. You can read this on line, just type in "Anglo-Saxon and Viking Coin Weights" and it should come up. Let me know if you can't get it. My computer skills are rather poor but I'll endeavour to send you a picture of my Viking(?) coin weight shortly.

FitzNigel · May 28, 2016

I found the article earlier, but was too lazy to read it at the time. Maybe I'll do that this morning.

4to2centBC · May 28, 2016

John N. Cross said: ↑

There's a very interesting article in 'The British Numismatic Journal' of 1999, by Gareth Williams of the 'British Museum'. You can read this on line, just type in "Anglo-Saxon and Viking Coin Weights" and it should come up.
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That was the first thing I read, since it was part of the description in the auction. Very little out there otherwise.

John N. Cross · May 28, 2016

Well then '4to2centBC', I think your best option is to try to do some research and write these coin weights up yourself. Good Luck. Will send a picture of my coin weight shortly, I hope!!

John N. Cross · May 28, 2016

There was another Viking(?) coin weight sold by CNG at their auction 100 on 7th October 2015. This can be viewed on the net. sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2221&category=44707&lot=1884010 I'm still trying to post my coin weight here but as I sad earlier, my computer skills are very limited indeed.

4to2centBC · May 28, 2016

John N. Cross said: ↑

There was another Viking(?) coin weight sold by CNG at their auction 100 on 7th October 2015. This can be viewed on the net. sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2221&category=44707&lot=1884010 I'm still trying to post my coin weight here but as I sad earlier, my computer skills are very limited indeed.
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Yes. I am familiar with that one.

There is also this one, sold by York Coins (it contains two styca)

http://www.yorkcoins.com/h3008_-_england,_viking,_danelaw,_coin_weight.htm
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This one from the British Museum with a coin of Ethelred

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/vikings/money_01.shtml

This one with a styca labelled as a gaming piece

http://travellingnorth.nl/blog-archive/blog july 24th 2015.html

That is pretty much all I could find over the last month or so.

John N. Cross · May 28, 2016

Very well done indeed, you've accomplished some detailed research, I doubt if there's much more published out there to discover. Now it's down to you to go any further. Once again, Very Well Done!!

4to2centBC · Jun 11, 2016

what happened to the images?

John N. Cross · Jun 11, 2016

If you're referring to my humble example, I've yet to get a decent picture of it to post. As I said before, my skills at this technology are dire, but I'll try to post a reasonable photograph in the next few days. Pleased to see that you're still interested and committed to the subject. My example has a Northumbrian base metal Styca embedded in the lead weight(?); I think it's of Eanred (810-840) but it's none too clear, hence difficulty in obtaining a good photograph.

4to2centBC · Jun 12, 2016

John N. Cross said: ↑

If you're referring to my humble example, I've yet to get a decent picture of it to post. As I said before, my skills at this technology are dire, but I'll try to post a reasonable photograph in the next few days. Pleased to see that you're still interested and committed to the subject. My example has a Northumbrian base metal Styca embedded in the lead weight(?); I think it's of Eanred (810-840) but it's none too clear, hence difficulty in obtaining a good photograph.
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I wrote to Gareth Williams at The British Museum to see if he can give any insight to the piece. I wrote late Friday. I have to wait and see if I get a reply.

If not, then I will try Jane Kershaw since she is a post doc at University College London and has written or co-wrote a couple pieces on viking weights.

I have not given up searching for info.........and I still want to see a photo of your weight.

John N. Cross · Jun 13, 2016

Here, I hope are images of my Viking(?) coin weight. Sorry, best I can manage. It weighs 7.79 grams. It's 16 mm. in width.

4to2centBC · Jun 14, 2016

John N. Cross said: ↑

Here, I hope are images of my Viking(?) coin weight. Sorry, best I can manage. It weighs 7.79 grams. It's 16 mm. in width. View attachment 509493
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Yours is similar in appearance to one at the British Museum and the one I posted above from York Coins. Your photo is blurry simply because you are holding the phone too close to the object

I am still awaiting replies from both authors.

4to2centBC · Jun 14, 2016

John N. Cross said: ↑

Well then '4to2centBC', I think your best option is to try to do some research and write these coin weights up yourself. Good Luck. Will send a picture of my coin weight shortly, I hope!!
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I received this from Jane Kershaw who is a post-doc in Viking studies and has a blog here.

https://vikingmetalwork.blogspot.co...howComment=1465930677244#c1128949733602705774

Jane Kershaw 14 June 2016 at 10:52
Thanks for this. I saw the photo - I think it's likely your weight is 9thC. Although the embedded coin is earlier, the triangular markings are something we see quite a lot on Viking-Age material (ie. 9-10thC), and the weights as a whole do belong to this later time period - some of them utilising coins which would have been old at the time.

So it appears that the coin managed to stay in pretty good condition for at least a century, before someone created the weight and placed the sceat into it.

I think it is an uncommon sceat, but I don't know how uncommon. The imagery may have have been an attraction to the creator/owner of the weight.

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