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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 6286356, member: 110350"]Come now. Apollo and Dionysos/Bacchus were far prettier on their worst day than Steven Tyler ever was on his best. And his best days were a very long time ago, although I never found him the least bit appealing.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bacchus:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249029[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Dionysos:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249030[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Apollo:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249033[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Apollo or Bonus Eventus:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249035[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Conversely, there are any number of Roman Republican coins on which Roma could be mistaken for a man because of her androgynous or masculine appearance, even apart from her helmet. The same is true of Virtus on this Republican coin, which I believe is one of only two on which she's depicted on the obverse:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249038[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>This masculine/feminine interplay is true of Virtus in general in her reverse portrayals, given that despite being female she was the personification of quintessentially masculine "virtue," encompassing valor, etc. And certainly on the reverse of this coin Virtus has rather suggestively masculine attributes, counterbalanced by her bare right breast:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249041[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>In fact, the bare right breast is not only a telltale signifier of Virtus's femaleness -- which might not be apparent otherwise -- but the same can be true of Roma herself, who is often portrayed in Roman art with one bare breast; in other words, like an Amazon. See the discussions of Roma and Virtus throughout this preview on Google Books of a book by Myles McDonnell entitled "Roman Manliness:<i> Virtus</i> and the Roman Republic": <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Roman_Manliness/v2vefi2_ojYC?hl=en&gbpv=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Roman_Manliness/v2vefi2_ojYC?hl=en&gbpv=1" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/books/edition/Roman_Manliness/v2vefi2_ojYC?hl=en&gbpv=1</a> . See also the discussion of Virtus's numismatic iconography at <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/reverse_virtus.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/reverse_virtus.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/reverse_virtus.html</a>.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 6286356, member: 110350"]Come now. Apollo and Dionysos/Bacchus were far prettier on their worst day than Steven Tyler ever was on his best. And his best days were a very long time ago, although I never found him the least bit appealing. Bacchus: [ATTACH=full]1249029[/ATTACH] Dionysos: [ATTACH=full]1249030[/ATTACH] Apollo: [ATTACH=full]1249033[/ATTACH] Apollo or Bonus Eventus: [ATTACH=full]1249035[/ATTACH] Conversely, there are any number of Roman Republican coins on which Roma could be mistaken for a man because of her androgynous or masculine appearance, even apart from her helmet. The same is true of Virtus on this Republican coin, which I believe is one of only two on which she's depicted on the obverse: [ATTACH=full]1249038[/ATTACH] This masculine/feminine interplay is true of Virtus in general in her reverse portrayals, given that despite being female she was the personification of quintessentially masculine "virtue," encompassing valor, etc. And certainly on the reverse of this coin Virtus has rather suggestively masculine attributes, counterbalanced by her bare right breast: [ATTACH=full]1249041[/ATTACH] In fact, the bare right breast is not only a telltale signifier of Virtus's femaleness -- which might not be apparent otherwise -- but the same can be true of Roma herself, who is often portrayed in Roman art with one bare breast; in other words, like an Amazon. See the discussions of Roma and Virtus throughout this preview on Google Books of a book by Myles McDonnell entitled "Roman Manliness:[I] Virtus[/I] and the Roman Republic": [URL]https://www.google.com/books/edition/Roman_Manliness/v2vefi2_ojYC?hl=en&gbpv=1[/URL] . See also the discussion of Virtus's numismatic iconography at [URL]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/reverse_virtus.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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