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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Gallienus, post: 4330099, member: 42034&quot;]Yes and this is partially why I have so much trouble collecting US coins and have moved to foreign.&nbsp; My experience from long ago was that if a coin had what they used to call &quot;cabinet friction&quot; was that it is AU.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>When I look at US gold coins at auctions on-line, they invariably appear very unattractive.&nbsp; The following is my experience:</p><p>ms-62:&nbsp; circulated</p><p>ms-63:&nbsp; badly scuffed up</p><p>ms-64:&nbsp; not too scuffy (unless a $20 gold) but with a big scratch running, at least, 3/4 across the cheek</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course there are always exceptions. Some &quot;+&quot; coins or CAC coins at the 62 level appear unc but those always go for a big premium.</p><p>With foreign coins I call and get an eye-on description of each &amp; every piece I bid on unless other circumstances mitigate.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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