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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 8278049, member: 110504&quot;]Rats.&nbsp; [USER=118540]@sand[/USER], you sent me back to Depeyrot (2008 ed.) and Nouchy, the only two serious references I have for Carolingians.&nbsp; Duplessy (<u>Feodales</u>) doesn&#039;t list any immobilizations with the pellet in the &quot;O&quot; of &quot;METALO;&quot; I was hoping that would be a clue as to whether your example was really of Charles.&nbsp; But even there, no luck.</p><p>...For both later Carolingian and early feudal issues, my takeaway is that there were just too many variations to have Ever gotten published.&nbsp; As you pointed out, the die engravers were really improvising as they went along.&nbsp; ...Still <i>really </i>liking that retrograde legend.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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