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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lolli, post: 3896902, member: 96900&quot;]The Leontinoi tetradrachm is actually most likely fake but it can be very difficult to prove this and I hoped to get to know something new by defending the coin and so luring out new methods of condemning fakes but I was disappointed! To dispute with dealer or experts of auctions houses can be much more annying than my defending and they do have in most cases even much worse arguments if they actually even have real arguments but they can be much more stubborn and seeing only what they want to see<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I will post now what is imho wrong with the coin.</p><p>In lamoneta they have counted dots to show recutting and authentic ones has 17 dots and transfer die fakes many more.</p><p>With die flaws it is possible to show if coins are from same dies or not.</p><p>It is very unlikely to impossible that the dotted border was recutted in ancient times why should they do it? And if I read correctly in lamoneta the reason why one of these suspected coins with recutted dotted border was supposed to be genuine was that it had horn silver and that the expert of auction house pretended it was horn silver and that horn silver could not be created artificially.</p><p><br /></p><p>How can we prove that the recutting was not done in ancient times but in modern times?</p><p>With a die study, we look if coins from the same dies exist with 17 dots but in an earlier and later die state do exist and maybe even at the same die state.</p><p><br /></p><p>For exampel fresh die dotted border 17 dots</p><p><br /></p><p>medium die state 17 dots and some with 25 dots</p><p><br /></p><p>latest die state 17 dots</p><p><br /></p><p>But we know for sure that they must be all from the same die due to same die flaws or completely identical details.</p><p><br /></p><p>So they must have cutted in this example from 17 dots to 25 dots and later back to 17 dots, is this likely no, is there any plausible explanation why they should have recutted the same die in ancient times 2 time ?(of course tehre is no plausible explanation except the coins must be fakes from recutted transfer dies with recutted dotted border)</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/pprp.94602/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/pprp.94602/">pprp</a></b></font>, why did you choose they <b><b>KENTORIPAI</b> fake, </b>which was sold as fake if you can find at his store many obvious fakes for sale every month (many will be withdrawn but not all) ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is for example an Alexander fake from modern dies (reverse is compeltely modern and obverse is possibly massivly recutted from real coin or modern too).</p><p>Withdrawn of course due to no die links to authetnic coins and completly impossible die links, search at forgery network for Alexander tetradrachms and you will find more then enough die links</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-KINGS-MACEDON-ALEXANDER-III-TETRADRACHM-EASTERN-MINT-GREEK-SILVER-NER2285/303373203710?hash=item46a273b8fe:g:nEkAAOSwkP1d1sZE" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-KINGS-MACEDON-ALEXANDER-III-TETRADRACHM-EASTERN-MINT-GREEK-SILVER-NER2285/303373203710?hash=item46a273b8fe:g:nEkAAOSwkP1d1sZE" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-KINGS-MACEDON-ALEXANDER-III-TETRADRACHM-EASTERN-MINT-GREEK-SILVER-NER2285/303373203710?hash=item46a273b8fe:g:nEkAAOSwkP1d1sZE</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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