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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3810665, member: 96900"]The Leontinoi is possibly form a different hard and was harshly cleaned which has removed the luster. How it is possible to tell if the metal in this case is modern from pictures is a miracle for me , pictures can be misleading, different lumination, camera settings or camera, angle etc. </p><p><br /></p><p>Ok, the Leontini is fake and this NGC verfied Balas is authentic ?</p><p>The Balas has no luster but very soft soapy surface + transfer errors hole in hair and is die linked to issues from other mints and years with much too high weights (pheonician weight standard was 14.25 g).</p><p>And the dotted border is recutted, very different number of dots and position of dots than on the only real specimen without the whole ^^</p><p><br /></p><p>Authentic coin same die but without transfer error hole in hair and with original dotted border</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1365813" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1365813" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1365813</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The NGC Balas fake </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/NGC-AU-Seleucid-Kingdom-Alexander-I-152-145-BC-AR-Tetradrachm-Rev-Eagle-on-Prow/293068094285?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/NGC-AU-Seleucid-Kingdom-Alexander-I-152-145-BC-AR-Tetradrachm-Rev-Eagle-on-Prow/293068094285?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/NGC-AU-Seleucid-Kingdom-Alexander-I-152-145-BC-AR-Tetradrachm-Rev-Eagle-on-Prow/293068094285?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4277260-015/NGCAncients/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4277260-015/NGCAncients/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4277260-015/NGCAncients/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>About this fakes</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #1 on the left, is an issue of Tyre mint (Sear-7032 type). FULL IMAGE. The weight is 15.21 grams, which is almost a full gram over the correct Phonecian standard of 14.25 grams. It is dated year-165 (equal to ).</p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #2 on the right is an issue of Berytus mint (Sear not listed). FULL IMAGE. The weight is 13.20 grams, which is almost a full gram below the correct Phonecian standard of 14.25 grams. The date on this one is not clear, as it is not clear what the first letter in the date is, but it appears possibly to be an attempt at a GAMMA, which would make the date year-163 (equal to 150-149 BC).</p><p><br /></p><p>"The basic problem is: how can two coins struck at two different mints, most likely more than a year apart, share a common obverse die? The simple answer is that it is highly unlikely and most likely not possible. That is what first drew these coins into question, however the incorrect weight standards basically proves the coins are not authentic."</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=HJwW83VQZ1E=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=HJwW83VQZ1E=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=HJwW83VQZ1E=</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=X0NoixJlAeA=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=X0NoixJlAeA=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=X0NoixJlAeA=</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3810665, member: 96900"]The Leontinoi is possibly form a different hard and was harshly cleaned which has removed the luster. How it is possible to tell if the metal in this case is modern from pictures is a miracle for me , pictures can be misleading, different lumination, camera settings or camera, angle etc. Ok, the Leontini is fake and this NGC verfied Balas is authentic ? The Balas has no luster but very soft soapy surface + transfer errors hole in hair and is die linked to issues from other mints and years with much too high weights (pheonician weight standard was 14.25 g). And the dotted border is recutted, very different number of dots and position of dots than on the only real specimen without the whole ^^ Authentic coin same die but without transfer error hole in hair and with original dotted border [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1365813[/URL] The NGC Balas fake [URL]https://www.ebay.de/itm/NGC-AU-Seleucid-Kingdom-Alexander-I-152-145-BC-AR-Tetradrachm-Rev-Eagle-on-Prow/293068094285?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649[/URL] [URL]https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4277260-015/NGCAncients/[/URL] About this fakes [URL]http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm[/URL] Coin #1 on the left, is an issue of Tyre mint (Sear-7032 type). FULL IMAGE. The weight is 15.21 grams, which is almost a full gram over the correct Phonecian standard of 14.25 grams. It is dated year-165 (equal to ). Coin #2 on the right is an issue of Berytus mint (Sear not listed). FULL IMAGE. The weight is 13.20 grams, which is almost a full gram below the correct Phonecian standard of 14.25 grams. The date on this one is not clear, as it is not clear what the first letter in the date is, but it appears possibly to be an attempt at a GAMMA, which would make the date year-163 (equal to 150-149 BC). "The basic problem is: how can two coins struck at two different mints, most likely more than a year apart, share a common obverse die? The simple answer is that it is highly unlikely and most likely not possible. That is what first drew these coins into question, however the incorrect weight standards basically proves the coins are not authentic." [URL]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=HJwW83VQZ1E=[/URL] [URL]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=X0NoixJlAeA=[/URL][/QUOTE]
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