Ancients => Tyche-Tyche-Tyche => It's a Natural Hat-Trick!!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by stevex6, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    I bought a second coin today (besides the good ol' Mini-Bee) ...

    => yah, I'm not quite sure what's up? ... maybe it's the fact that I love Tyche-coins, or maybe it's because there are a few great animals on these babies? ... ummm, but whatever the reasoning is, I bought another example!!

    Please welcome Tyche and the good ol' Sucklin' Wolf!!

    TROAS, Alexandria Troas
    Pseudo-autonomous issue, Æ As

    Circa mid 3rd century AD
    Diameter: 19 mm
    Weight: 4.27 grams
    Obverse: Turreted and draped bust of Tyche right; vexillum behind
    Reverse: She-wolf standing right, suckling the twins Remus and Romulus
    Reference: Bellinger A495; SNG Copenhagen 104-7
    Other: 10h … green patina with some areas of red
    From the Ronald J. Hansen Collection. Ex Noble 70 (11 July 2002), lot 3224



    Troas Tyche and Suckling Wolf a.jpg Troas Tyche and Suckling Wolf b.jpg
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh sorry => here are my other two examples:

    Troas Alexandria Æ20
    Date: circa 253-268 AD
    Size: 20.64 mm
    Weight: 5.14 grams
    Obverse: CO TROA, Turreted draped bust of Tyche right
    Reverse: CO-L AV TRO, Eagle with open wings standing right on head of Bull
    Attribution: SNG von Aulock 7553
    Description: A bold bronze with sharp detail and lots of eye appeal


    Tyche & Eagle a.jpg
    Tyche & Eagle b.jpg




    TROAS, Alexandria Troas Æ
    Pseudo-autonomous issue

    Circa mid 3rd century AD
    Diameter: 21 mm
    Weight: 6.01 grams
    Obverse: Turreted and draped bust of Tyche right, with vexillum over shoulder
    Reverese: Horse grazing right
    Reference: Bellinger A486; SNG von Aulock 1466; BMC 46; SNG Copenhnagen 108
    Other: 6h … attractive brown patina, light adjustment marks. Nice surfaces


    tyche & horse a.jpg
    tyche & horse b.jpg
     
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  4. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Very nice Steve, sadly I have no coins from this fair city.

    Although I do have a coin with Tyche.:)

    Carus, year one
    Obv. Carus
    Rev. Tyche
    tet.jpg
    tet rev.jpg
     
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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    thanks vlaha => yup, keep your relevant coins a comin'

    The more, the merrier!!

    Cheers
     
  6. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Another beautie Steve, how many different types of animals does Tyche coins have.
     
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  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    SyriaAntiochTycheRamMed.jpg

    Syria, Antioch ad Orontum
    56-57 AD
    Pseudo-autonomous issue under Nero

    AE18, 4.35 gm. Antioch mint.
    Obv: ANTIOCEWN; turreted and veiled head of Tyche right
    Rev: EPI KOUADRATOU; ram leaping right, head reverted; crescent moon and star which may depicts Jupiter's occultation of Aries in 6 B.C.
    Ref: SNG Cop 101
    currently residing in the TIF Pink Floyd / Animals collection, track 4, "Sheep" :)
    http://prezi.com/q7mw1k1zur65/pink-floyd-animals/
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    A question for the man with the books: What characteristics makes this coin Tyche and how do you separate Tyche from Dikaiosyne? A case can be made for using different names for the same figure when we switch back and forth from Latin to Greek but I've seen this coin called both and my opinion (nothing more) says Dikaiosyne. I've also seen people throw in confusion with Providentia and Justitia (who I do consider to be the Latin for Dikaiosyne but that probably is slighting Dike - prounounced Dee-Kay, please). I'll go out on a limb as say some dealers call any woman Tyche unless she is carrying a sign with another name.
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => thanks for the compliment, my Halibut friend!!

    ... ummm, I am not sure how many are in this series, but until I saw the Sucklin' Wolf, I originally thought that there were only two, so now I'm as curious as you to investigate (I do know that there are a bunch of similar reverses as these, with the obverses of Roman Rulers ... these are known as the 'autonomous issues')

    ... hey, if anybody knows the answer to Eng's question, then please pipe-up and tell both of us the answer, okay?

    Thanks

    cheers my friends
     
  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => geesh, I'm glad that I'm not "the man with the books" ... Doug's homework assignments are always sooo hard!!

    ;)
     
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Somebody else must have one of these examples? ... Doug, I'm pretty sure that you have a Dikaiosyne horse, yes?

    ;)

    => please post 'em, if you've got 'em!!
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The three Troas shown are the ones I have seen but I dd not research that one. Steve has more time for that. We only got four inches of snow and may have to go back to school/work tomorrow.
    I know it is a minority opinion but when you start studying these coins and the cultures you might spend more study time (figured at minimum wage?) than you spent on the coin.
     
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  13. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    I guess I'm the man with the books Doug, I can't do it right now (I'm filling out my Summer Seminar application) but I will later.
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Another good thing about collecting things 2000 years old is that we learn patience.
     
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  15. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    The horse grazing coin reminds me of Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh.

    A collector could almost chase Romulus and Remus reverse all on their own. Seems like every week I am seeing one I didn't know existed before.
     
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  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    ALEXANDRIA TROAS 2.jpg
    ALEXANDRIA TROAS CIVIC ISSUE AE 19
    OBVERSE: CO-L TRO, draped and turreted bust of Tyche right; vexillum behind
    REVERSE: CO-L AVG, TRO in exergue, eagle standing right on the forepart of a bull
    Struck at Alexandria Troas, Third Century AD
    5.06g, 19mm
    SNG Cop 117
     
  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Alexander Troas_opt.jpg
    ALEXANDER TROAS CIVIC ISSUE AE25
    OBVERSE: COL ALEX TRO, Turreted & draped bust of city goddess or Tyche right; vexillum behind
    REVERSE: COL AL [EX TRO], Horse feeding right, tree behind; beside the horse, a herdsman wearing chlamys, holding pedum in right hand, standing right
    Struck at Rome, 250-70 AD
    5.6g, 24.9mm
    BMC 52
     
  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Valerian_I_5_opt.jpg
    VALERIAN I AE20
    OBVERSE: IMP LICI VALERIAN, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: VCOL AVG TRO, horse grazing right
    Struck at Alexandria Troas, 253-60 AD
    4.86g, 21mm
    SNGCop 191v
     
  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    BTW Lil Bro, I've bee watching for a coin like your new pickup. Yours is a beauty. Congrats.
     
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  20. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Alright Doug, according to Curtis, Dikaiosyne is the female personification of fair dealing, and always has scales and cornucopia. Tyche however, is the female personification of fortune, and comes with cornucopia and a ship rudder.

    The ship rudder seems to either, A. be optional, B. unknown to some of the engravers.

    Sooooooo, apparently I forgot to check my listing for the earlier Carus I posted, annnnnd it featured Dikaiosyne rather than Tyche.

    Oops...:oops:
     
  21. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Bing => thanks for posting your great examples!! (I appreciate it)
     
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