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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;AncientJoe, post: 1983125, member: 44357&quot;]Indeed, there are (at least) two large, competing schools of thought as to what constitutes a coin and what is deemed the first coin. I&#039;d consider the jump from blank proto-coins to the full blown Lydian lions to be unlikely and do tend to agree that the striated types denote the first real coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, in the spirit of completeness, my collection has an example of both the striated electrum type and the Lydian lion (the latter in two different versions) and the Ionian geometric type (although nothing from Samos yet). </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m quite certain I know the coin to which you are referring and the collection from which it comes as I intend to bid on several other coins from the same sale. However, if the past is any indicator, the first part of this collection sold for <i>very </i>strong prices - I was shut out entirely. I have little to no confidence that I&#039;ll be able to acquire any of the pieces I&#039;m looking at, despite being willing to pay record prices for them, which is a bit frustrating. I have had considerable success at this auction house before and yes, you have to pay strong prices (but for what is generally very strong quality), but this particular collection is producing some heated bidding.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is due in part to the elevated estimates on the coins, especially when considering the 19% BP. While their trite is indeed nice, it isn&#039;t in once-in-a-lifetime condition and it will undoubtedly sell for strong money (even if it didn&#039;t move forward from the starting price, but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it sells for 7K CHF just because of when and how it&#039;s being sold). This later type is common enough to be able to wait for the right opportunity, or wait a few months to find another good example.</p><p><br /></p><p>For what it&#039;s worth, I do find the signed trites (and other signed electrum) to be quite appealing, and differently appealing than the unsigned examples as they represent an additional development in the history of coinage. The signed examples are rarer than unsigned trites, contributing to their price, and are generally hard to find with a combination of centering, consistent strike, and most or all of the letters showing.</p><p><br /></p><p>Feel free to reply here or message me if you wanted to discuss further![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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