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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1933244, member: 19463"]<a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=potin" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=potin" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=potin</a></p><p><br /></p><p>While tin is mentioned as one of the possible components, I consider potin more the equivalent of our modern 'pot metal' which is more or less whatever you have available for unimportant purposes. I recall learning the term as a kid when my cap pistol was referred to a 'just pot metal' rather like a dog might be called a mutt. I think you might be expecting too much to ask all the potin coin be exactly to a standard that you want to require all these centuries later. Copper seems to be the most common and predominant metal and I suspect that lead comes in high on the list as well. These terms are things applied by modern coin experts rather than records from 'the day'. I am a bit amazed at how the references often refer to tetradrachms without mentioning a metal while drachms are regularly called 'bronze drachms'. </p><p><br /></p><p>Repeating: to me, Billon is a metal that tries to look gray with varying degrees of success while Potin is less specific on both counts. I'm perfectly willing to (and regularly do) use the two terms interchangeably when dealing with the low end 'pot' metal coins but I do not call <b>gray </b>coins potin. They are either billon or silver depending on how generous I'm feeling at that particular moment. I can not recall seeing a gray tetradrachm of Alexandria after Severus Alexander but I have not made a study of this as a specialty. Gray metal lasted longer at Antioch (Trebonianus Gallus???). Who would like to undertake the analysis of a few thousand coins and report of their content? Before you ask, my coins are not available for drilling, melting scraping or other forms of testing for your study. It is a project for a museum with a huge holding of expendable junk coins and a museum that cares enough about coins to fund the study. Good luck.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1933244, member: 19463"][url]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=potin[/url] While tin is mentioned as one of the possible components, I consider potin more the equivalent of our modern 'pot metal' which is more or less whatever you have available for unimportant purposes. I recall learning the term as a kid when my cap pistol was referred to a 'just pot metal' rather like a dog might be called a mutt. I think you might be expecting too much to ask all the potin coin be exactly to a standard that you want to require all these centuries later. Copper seems to be the most common and predominant metal and I suspect that lead comes in high on the list as well. These terms are things applied by modern coin experts rather than records from 'the day'. I am a bit amazed at how the references often refer to tetradrachms without mentioning a metal while drachms are regularly called 'bronze drachms'. Repeating: to me, Billon is a metal that tries to look gray with varying degrees of success while Potin is less specific on both counts. I'm perfectly willing to (and regularly do) use the two terms interchangeably when dealing with the low end 'pot' metal coins but I do not call [B]gray [/B]coins potin. They are either billon or silver depending on how generous I'm feeling at that particular moment. I can not recall seeing a gray tetradrachm of Alexandria after Severus Alexander but I have not made a study of this as a specialty. Gray metal lasted longer at Antioch (Trebonianus Gallus???). Who would like to undertake the analysis of a few thousand coins and report of their content? Before you ask, my coins are not available for drilling, melting scraping or other forms of testing for your study. It is a project for a museum with a huge holding of expendable junk coins and a museum that cares enough about coins to fund the study. Good luck.[/QUOTE]
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