Ancients => Rough, Dirty & Cheap (just how I like 'em)

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  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Yesssss!!!

    => sure, I realize that today's CNG-score isn't the prettiest example of this cool coin-type, but I was pretty happy that I snagged it with a mere opening-bid!! (cha-ching!!)

    Yup, the hammer came down and the man yelled-out "90 dolla" ... and I was happy!!


    LUCANIA, Thourioi. AR Nomos
    Circa 400-350 BC
    Diameter: 21 mm
    Weight: 7.35 grams
    Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing helmet decorated with Skylla holding rudder over shoulder
    Reverse: Bull butting right; below, dolphin right in waves
    Reference: HN Italy 1794b; SNG ANS 1048
    Other: 8h … VF, toned, rough

    https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=322540

    Lucania Thourioi Skylla and Bull AR Nomos.jpg

    => yup, $90 seemed reasonable enough for this sweet hunk of ancient silver, eh?


    :rolleyes:
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh, my bad => "please" feel free to post any coins that kinda fit my coin-thread ...

    examples may include some, or none of the following:

    - coins from Lucania
    - AR Nomos examples
    - examples with Skylla
    - examples with Athena
    - examples with Bulls
    - examples with Dolphins
    - sweet wives and cool pets
    - and as always, random examples of cool underwear
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Okay, maybe I'll toss-in an example to get things started ...

    => ummm, how 'bout another sweet Lucania example? (always cool)

    LUCANIA. VELIA AR NOMOS
    Date: 300-280 BC
    Size: 21.65 mm
    Weight: 7.29 grams
    Obverse: Head of Athena left, wearing crested helmet decorated with Griffin, Θ behind neck
    Reverse: YEΛHTΩN, Lion right, tearing at prey; above, grasshopper between Φ-I
    Attribution: SNG ANS 1364



    Lucania Velia AR Nomos.jpg

    :rolleyes:

    ... man, those dudes from Lucania made pretty sweet coins, eh?!!
     
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  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Too cheap. Next time send me a PM and I'll make sure to go and give you some competition.

    Congrats on the sweet score.
     
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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Patience, Steve.
    I paid more than that for my stater in 1991 (but you will pay more when the post office finishes with you). I favor coins like yours with good centering but can live with the rear of my bull being lost better than if it were the head.
    You are just rubbing it in the fact that my bull's underwear is off flan if he had any. Not nice!
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    My other one was less but it is only a 1/6th stater which came from Harlan Berk in 1990. It is a little later as shown by the bull's head being turned a bit toward the viewer rather than straight ahead as on the earlier ones.
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    Did you know that Thourioi was the new name given to the city rebuilt where Sybaris originally stood. Sybaris natives were driven out several times in the half century before Thorioi was founded by other settlers. The old city was also into bulls on their coins which gives me an excuse to show my stater from before 510BC when the destructive wars with Kroton began. If you are going to collect Thourioi, you need a Sybaris, too, right???
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  7. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Nice pick-up stevex6, so cheap excellant buy, my favorite Athena is this Hadrian Cilicia, Aegeae, 117/118 AD, Athena standing left, goat in lower field, Sear 1218, Prieur 714. Tetradrachm 9.7 gm. Toned. 20160722_190301.jpg 20160722_190337.jpg
     
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  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Its a lovely coin, great price too!
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nice additions, Mentor ... all total winners (thanks for jumpin' in!!)

    :rolleyes:

    Oh, and thanks to you guys too, Mat & Ancient Aussie (love the goat)
     
  10. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Ugh. I missed the entire auction! It's happened many times, will happen many times more!
     
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => okay, here is one of my other AR Nomos examples ... man, these are some of my better coins (cool thread)

    CALABRIA, Tarentum, AR Nomos
    Circa 315-302 BC
    Diameter: 20 mm
    Weight: 7.98 grams
    Obverse: Warrior, preparing to cast spear, holding two others and shield, on horse rearing right; ΣA below
    Reverse: Phalanthos, holding kantharos and trident, astride dolphin left; AP monogram to left; below, small dolphin left
    Reference: Fischer-Bossert Group 70, 846 (V336/R657); Vlasto 601 (same obv. die); HN Italy 937; Gulbenkian 35 (same dies); Jameson 156 (same dies)
    Other: 11h … EF, toned. Excellent metal, exceptional obverse from fresh dies
    From the JMG Collection


    Calabria Tarentum.jpg

    :cool:

    => yah, apparently AR Nomos are pretty cool coins (maybe I'd better look for more of 'em, eh?)
     
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  12. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful win @stevex6 !!!!

    I lost out on my 'A' bids on CNG but scored on my emergency 'B' plan...three modest types below estimate, so I'm still happy...but no Athena's etc......

    My favorite Athena is not exactly realo_O:eek:

    It's my British Museum electroplate---but still kinda cool;)
    lebedos ionia electroplate replica.jpg attica obverse.jpg attica owl.jpg
    This one is my next favorite of Athena...and it's actually real LOL
     
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  13. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Rough, Dirty & Cheap (just how I like 'em)

    Me too - Oh, you mean ancient coins!!





     
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  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ;)

    ... apparently you got my joke

    Cheers, Markus

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  15. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice $90 score! One of these Skylla helmet types has been on my list for awhile now but so far proven elusive. Hmm, gotta say it again... really nice score for the price!
     
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  16. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    INDEED - Funny!
     
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  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh, and here are 10 random bull-coins for ya ... anybody else got any bull?

    Islands off Iberia Ebusus.jpg bull & dolphin.jpg bull butting.jpg bull siglos.jpg Byz Cow & Dolphin.jpg Campania Cales Manbull.jpg Copy (2) of ant 1b.jpg gorgon snake bull bx.jpg incuse bull.jpg India Kushan.jpg
     
  18. TTerrier

    TTerrier Well-Known Member

    I also picked this up today in the CNG auction and I can say it's complete bull. Or rather three bulls! I like Greek fractions and this one appealed to me (and no one else it appears) so it went for below estimate.

    Caria Tetartemorion.jpg

    Caria - uncertain mint
    c. 450 - 400 BC
    AR Tetartemorion 6.5mm 0.38g
    Confronted foreparts of two bulls / forepart of bull left, star below
    SNG Ashmolean 336, SNG Keckman 913-5

    I bid on another Caria fraction and got nuked by the one and only Clio (not for the first time and probably not the last).
     
  19. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I love that little coin, TT! It was on my watch list but I was busy during the auction and had already spent too much money lately, so I regretfully let it pass. Glad it found a good home :)

    I saw that you had bid on it and later that you had won it (as I quickly reviewed the lots near the end to see who had won what... Clio hoovered up at least 67 lots :wideyed:)
     
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  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice NP little brother. Here are some bulls for ya:

    SICILY, SYRACUSE, HIERON II 2.jpg
    SICILY, SYRACUSE, HIERON II
    AE19
    OBVERSE: Head of Persephone left, wreathed with corn, wearing earring and necklace, poppy head behind head
    REVERSE: Bull butting left; above, club above IA; IE in exergue
    Struck at Syracuse, Sicily 275-265 BC
    5.71g; 19mm
    BMC. Sicily, p 219, 624

    L. THORIUS BALBUS.jpg
    L. THORIUS BALBUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS THORIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Head of Juno Sospita wearing goat-skin headdress, acronym I. S. M. R. behind.
    REVERSE: Bull charging right, F. above, L THORIVS below, BALBVS in exergue
    Struck at Rome 105 BC
    3.92g, 19mm
    Cr 316/1, Sydenham 598, Thoria 1

    IBERIAN Castulo 2.jpg
    IBERIAN
    AE Semis
    OBVERSE: Young male head right, Phoenician letter before
    REVERSE: Bull right, crescent above, two Phoenicial letters below
    Struck at Castulo Late 1st century BC
    15.6mm, 1.8g
    Burgos 897

    Augustus 11.jpg
    AUGUSTUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: AVGVSTUS DIVI F, bare head right
    REVERSE: Bull butting right
    IMP X in exergue
    Lugdunum 15-13 BC
    3.7g, 18mm
    RIC I 167a, BMC 451. C 137, CBN 1382

    Hadrian 7.jpg
    HADRIAN
    AE 22
    OBVERSE: Laureate head right
    REVERSE: Europa riding bull right
    Struck at Sidon, Phoenicia, 117/118 AD
    8.9g, 22mm
    BMC Phoenicia 225

    Julian II 3.jpg
    JULIAN II
    Majorina
    OBVERSE: D N FL CL IVLI-ANVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: SECVRITAS REIPVB• dot, bull right, two stars above, •palm branch-CONSPA-palm branch in ex.
    Struck at Constantinople 3 Nov 361 - 26 June 363 A.D
    7.95g, 29.48mm
    RIC VIII 164
     
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  21. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

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    LUCANIA, Velia
    305-290 BCE
    AR didrachm, 17.5 mm, 7.3 gm
    Obv: Head of Athena right, wearing crested helmet, decorated with griffin; at left, A
    Rev: YEΛHTΩN; lion standing on exergual line; above dolphin between I and Φ
    Ref: SNG ANS 1375-6

    I don't have anything for this category :(
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    WHAT?! Another strike?? :shifty:
    Plenty of those :) Here's one.
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    CORINTHIA, Corinth
    circa 375-300 BCE
    AR stater, 22 mm, 8.55 g, 1h
    Obv: Pegasus flying left; qoppa below
    Rev: helmeted head of Athena left; A-P flanking neck truncation; to right, chimaera standing left
    Ref: Ravel 1010; Pegasi 428; BCD Corinth 102; HGC 4, 1848
    ex CNG Inventory 828126 (November, 2008)
    ex Gorny & Mosch 170 (13 October 2008), lot 1381
    ex Giessener Münzhandlung 21 (22 March 1982), lot 37

    I'll post this Phlius because earlier today I was commenting to @zumbly that the coin @TTerrier's ultimately won reminded me of bulls on the coins of Phlius.

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    PHLIASIA (PELOPONNESOS), Phlius
    400-350 BCE
    AR obol, 11 mm, 0.84 gm
    Obv: forepart of butting bull left
    Rev: large Φ surrounded by four pellets
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 8-9
    ex BCD Collection, not in previous BCD sales
    It's tempting to show my Agathokles tetradrachm for the upteenth time, but instead here's a Calabrian dolphin.

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    CALABRIA, Tarentum
    325-280 BCE
    AR litra, 11 mm, 0.56 gm
    Obv: scallop shell
    Rev: dolphin right, trident below (I think it might be a bunch of grapes)
    Ref: Vlasto 1530 (if grapes rather than trident, Vlasto 1527)
    from Heritage Auctions 13 Nov. 2014; formerly slabbed
    Sorry, no wife for me :D No current pets either. How about a free-range lizard that lived in my bedroom for 9 months a few years ago? Here he is on his last "surprise" voyage... Andy the Anole :D

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