[ancients] Pontos, Amisos. Off with her head!

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  1. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Here are a few other Pontos, Amisos coins. They were part of an unimaged mixed lot purchased from Goldberg Sept. 2013.

    Pontos30GBmed.jpg

    Pontos32BGmed.jpg

    Pontos33GBsm.jpg
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Since we are showing our coins from Pontos, one of my favorite coins is from there:
    AMISOS, PONTOS.jpg
    AMISOS, PONTOS AE 20
    OBVERSE: Head of youthful Dionysos right, wreathed with ivy
    REVERSE: Thyrsos leaning against cista mystica draped with panther skin; AMISOU below
    Struck at Amisos 85-65 BC
    8.8g, 21mm
    SNG BM Black Sea 1199-1200; HGC 7, 243
     
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I found the reference that Pecunem uses at :
    http://www.sylloge-nummorum-graecorum.org/

    It's in fact SNG Stancomb 683 that has no monogram to the right :
    http://www.s110120695.websitehome.c..._Reply.php?Series=SNGuk&AccessionNo=1100_0683

    Your example looks more like these, and I think the monograms match :

    SNG BM Black Sea 1173
    http://www.s110120695.websitehome.c..._Reply.php?Series=SNGuk&AccessionNo=0901_1173

    SNG Fitzwilliam 793
    http://www.s110120695.websitehome.c..._Reply.php?Series=SNGuk&AccessionNo=0601_0793
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Wow, that's a beautiful set, TIF.
     
  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Today I had a pleasant surprise after an unpleasant day of working out of town. I stopped in a jewelry store before heading home-- the store usually has an assortment of tragically high-end and highly polished Greek and Roman silver coins set into pendants and rings.

    There was a lone bronze coin, unset. A Pontos, Amisos Athena/Persus-decapitating-Medusa! Not in the greatest condition but the price was surprisingly low so it followed me home :)

    I may see if I can coax off some of the excessive oxides and crud.

    PontosFreebird20May2014.jpg

    19.5 gm, 29 mm
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This has good centering and detail if only the crud comes off without leaving rough surfaces. Were it mine, I'd risk cleaning it. I wish you had a junker coin that had the same type deposits to use as a guinea pig.
     
  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I wish the same thing. I am going to set it aside for now and work on it when I am not so busy-- don't want to rush and ruin it. It has a certain charm as is... the colors remind me of boulder opal. It would be nice to get a little more detail on the reverse by removing the pimply verdigris, plus I'd like to remove the beige deposits on the obverse.
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    You might try dry cleaning with a flat scalpel and more patience than I have. The guys who tool those expensive culls into EF gems could make this into a real looker.
     
  12. scotts1

    scotts1 Well-Known Member

    Here is my Pontus Amisos coin. It's not in the greatest condition, but I still like it. DSC00887 (2).JPG DSC00888 (2).JPG
    Amisos, Pontos, AE20, ca 100 BC.
    Aegis with facing Gorgon in the center.
    AMI-SOY Nike advancing right, holding palm over shoulder
    with both hands.
    DAT monogram to left, omega on S monogram to right.
    (http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/pontos/amisos/BMC_72.txt)
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    TIF => I really like the colourful crud!! (I hope if you do clean it up a bit that it retains some of that super-cool colour)

    ... congrats on adopting a coin on the way home from work (it's kinda like bringin' home the 3-legged puppy from the pound .... it is a feel good story)
     
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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Well, "conservation" of the jewelry store Pontos went surprisingly well! Some of you may feel that it should have been left alone-- and part of me did like the colorful corrosion-- but I really wanted to see if the reverse details were preserved.

    It is now essentially stripped, but most Pontos coins have the same look.

    Before:
    PontosFreebird20May2014.jpg

    After:
    PontosAmisosAfterConservation.jpg

    One mere scrape with a scalpel (obverse, in front of Athena's face) was enough to prove that it was the wrong approach. I exposed a tiny glint of shiny bronze (not even visible in the photo). None of those scratch marks are mine; most of those "scrapes" look like typical Pontos flan manufacturing.

    Instead of mechanical debridement, I soaked the coin in vinegar, occasionally wiping with a Q-tip and scrubbing with a toothbrush. Total soaking time was several hours and two changes of vinegar as the copper oxides saturated the solution. There are still a few green and blue warts on the reverse so I might do it again.

    After vinegar, a distilled water rinse and then a hot bath of sodium carbonate + sodium bicarbonate (just an hour), then another DI rinse. Dried with a hairdryer then treated with VerdiCare.

    I am very pleased with this unexpected and inexpensive find!
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I like.
     
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  16. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Yes, it looks very nice ... good details on pretty much everything (congrats)

    => great Medusa (severed head and gutsy-body)

    Perseus also looks pretty awesome (nice harpa!!)

    ... and wow ... the ol' gryphon on the helmet is a total winner

    Full points, Princess (you did extremely well)
     
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  17. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    i'll be darned, not bad TIF. I've used vinegar before but haven't has results that good. the last time I did it I left a coin in to long and it corroded the metal (it was a slug anyway, I was just experimenting).
     
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  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Well done TIF
     
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  19. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Wow TIF, what a score and what a awesome coin,very nice...
     
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  20. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    You uncovered some great details there, TIF. Especially with Medusa's body and Perseus's head. Really nice job!


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  21. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    That is quite the treatment. Congrats! Many of the scratches you pointed out can be scene in the original photo they are just more noticeable now which isn't a bad thing. The detail you brought out on the reverse is quite amazing.
     
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