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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1789625, member: 19463"]Extremely nice coin but I'd call it an 1865 not 1866. Sear notes that these are often overstruck on earlier folles but he goes on to confuse people. Under 1866 he refers the reader to page 330 where we find that 1866 is the Class G anonymous follis. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]288535[/ATTACH]</p><p> </p><p>My 1866 Class G is overstruck on a Sear 1854 as mentioned on page 330. Yo can see Constantine X peering out from behind Christ's halo at the upper left of the obverse. As I see it 1865 (TIF's coin) is not listed on page 330 because it is technically not anonymous because of the <font size="4"><font face="Times"><span style="color: #000000"> C-R P-</span></font></font><font size="4"><font face="Arial">Δ legend including Romanus. It would have been really nice if Mr. Sear had expanded the legend so I could have a clue what those four letters stood for. It is even a fair question to ask about the language used since the R suggests Latin and the </font></font> <font size="4"><font face="Arial">Δ Greek. Perhaps the top line is Caesar Romanus while the bottom line is Romanus Despotes in Greek????? Really folks, I respect Mr. Sear and his book but would it kill scholars to be just a little educational when they write this stuff for the low mentality types (me) that buy their books?? </font></font></p><p> </p><p><font size="4"><font face="Arial">The way all this is laid out on page 319 makes it look like he listed 1865 as the coin and 1866 as the overstruck coin but Sear never gives a separate number for an overstrike so I'm sure I'm reading his intent correctly here. </font></font></p><p> </p><p><font size="4"><font face="Arial">TIF: Feel free to make my 1866 into a GIF but knowing what was part of which strike is not obvious here. I like Byzantine overstrikes. I have a few that I can't explain to my satisfaction including some that are just plain messy. Of course I have an old page </font></font></p><p><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac70byz.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac70byz.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac70byz.html</a></p><p><font size="4"><font face="Arial">but my one I'd like you to diagnose fully is below. I'm calling it a Class K on Class J of Alexius I.</font></font></p><p><font size="4"><font face="Arial">[ATTACH=full]288537[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><font size="4"><font face="Arial">Opinion: Byzantine overstruck coins carry extra interest if not extra value only when their component parts play nicely together and can be separated in the eye of the student. Unexplainable hot messes are just that and worth less than ordinary coins. Coin of some types that show absolutely no sign of an undertype are rare but coins with interesting blends are better. IMHO the OP TIF GIF is a great coin. </font></font></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1789625, member: 19463"]Extremely nice coin but I'd call it an 1865 not 1866. Sear notes that these are often overstruck on earlier folles but he goes on to confuse people. Under 1866 he refers the reader to page 330 where we find that 1866 is the Class G anonymous follis. [ATTACH=full]288535[/ATTACH] My 1866 Class G is overstruck on a Sear 1854 as mentioned on page 330. Yo can see Constantine X peering out from behind Christ's halo at the upper left of the obverse. As I see it 1865 (TIF's coin) is not listed on page 330 because it is technically not anonymous because of the [SIZE=4][FONT=Times][COLOR=#000000] C-R P-[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=4][FONT=Arial]Δ legend including Romanus. It would have been really nice if Mr. Sear had expanded the legend so I could have a clue what those four letters stood for. It is even a fair question to ask about the language used since the R suggests Latin and the [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=4][FONT=Times][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=4][FONT=Arial]Δ Greek. Perhaps the top line is Caesar Romanus while the bottom line is Romanus Despotes in Greek????? Really folks, I respect Mr. Sear and his book but would it kill scholars to be just a little educational when they write this stuff for the low mentality types (me) that buy their books?? [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT=Arial]The way all this is laid out on page 319 makes it look like he listed 1865 as the coin and 1866 as the overstruck coin but Sear never gives a separate number for an overstrike so I'm sure I'm reading his intent correctly here. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT=Arial]TIF: Feel free to make my 1866 into a GIF but knowing what was part of which strike is not obvious here. I like Byzantine overstrikes. I have a few that I can't explain to my satisfaction including some that are just plain messy. Of course I have an old page [/FONT][/SIZE] [url]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac70byz.html[/url] [SIZE=4][FONT=Arial]but my one I'd like you to diagnose fully is below. I'm calling it a Class K on Class J of Alexius I.[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT=Arial][ATTACH=full]288537[/ATTACH][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT=Arial]Opinion: Byzantine overstruck coins carry extra interest if not extra value only when their component parts play nicely together and can be separated in the eye of the student. Unexplainable hot messes are just that and worth less than ordinary coins. Coin of some types that show absolutely no sign of an undertype are rare but coins with interesting blends are better. IMHO the OP TIF GIF is a great coin. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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