Ancients, NEWP: AE13 of Selge, Pisidia

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  1. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Hey friends, I don't often collect Greek coins, that is, coins of Greek colonies - typically the pieces in the grades I want are out of my budget. But I came across this minute bronze of Selge with a very reasonable price tag, and simply couldn't resist. I'm always fascinated with tiny coins that exhibit copious detail.

    Selge, Pisidia
    AE13, 2.47g., 300-190 BC.
    Obv.: Bust of Heracles right.
    Rev.: Thunderbolt and bow; Σ E Λ.
    Reference: SNG von Aulock 5288, SNG France 1979.
    Notes: EF, ex-M&M Numismatics.

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  3. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Remember when we were talking about "nice" coins, and I couldn't really describe them? You're starting to figure it out.

    A few notes on your description: the '/' is generally used to indicate a line break. Leave a space after to indicate a new word. So/ like/ th/is:

    So
    Like
    Th
    Is

    Thunderbolt and bow; Σ E Λ (You can use dashes to indicate legend breaks, but I prefer not to, as actual dashes are sometimes present in the legend!)

    You cite the two most important references for this area, von Aulock and SNG France, but you do so inconsistently. You could simply say "SNG von Aulock 5288, SNG France 1979." I wouldn't bother citing Sear.

    And the pedigree leaves a lot out. Which M&M aucton? Which M&M firm? There were several. Or was it a fixed-price purchase from the present-day vCoins shop, of no relation to the old auction houses?
     
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I have gotten much more greeks this year then I did in the past. Its usually the small bronzes cause they are often overlooked. This one is very nice. Great addition JA.
     
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  5. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    Nice addition JA. I especially like the reverse with the thunderbolt and bow.

    Very cool.
     
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  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I googled M&M Numismatics and it appears to be an outfit out of DC. That's all I know - the coin was purchased from Barry and Darling, so I'll email them and see if they can give me any more info.

    Thank you for your corrections! I've edited my post.
     
  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That's an awfully nice little coin! Wouldn't mind having that one in my collection at all.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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    Mine is not EF and lacks the lambda altogether as well as coming from a 1988 private D.C. collection that no one but me cares about but I do consider it interesting to compare the die work on matching coins. All mine really adds is the club which makes mine clearly Herakles while the OP coin almost would sucker me into saying Zeus. Neither of us have a really good recurved bow.

    When I bought mine, I thought I could not afford to collect Greek coins. I still feel that way to an extent but we have to remember that these little bronzes probably did more daily service than any of the tetradrachms. As Greek cities go, Selge has quite a variety of coins in the "not horridly priced but interesting" range. My collection of the city totals four coins with the most recent addition coming in 1989 and all from sources associated with D.C. where I lived at the time. I guess it was a hotbed of Selge coins at the time.
    The others:
    AR trihemiobol
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    AR stater
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    AE13
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  9. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    what a great little coin JA, nice details in 13 mm of space.

    i just won a budget greek "thunderbolt" reverse, incoming.
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Lovely set of coins, Doug! I hope to add those types to my collection as well.
     
  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Well this coin arrived today and I'm positively charmed by it.

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    Also, my wife is attending culinary academy and brought cakes she had made home from school. The head chef was very impressed with her roses...

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    Indeed it is. :)
     
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    The coin is marvelous, but I want a piece of cake!
     
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  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Those are very nice roses! Your wife has some talent there.
    The coin is nice too, I like the new photo.
     
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  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    mrs JA has some mad cake skills!

    nice new pic mr JA, what a pretty green color.
     
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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Very cool coin, my friend, but I must also agree with the peanut-gallery that your wife's awesome cakes are definitely stealing this thread!! (yummy-yummy)

    => please tell your wife that her cakes are very cool ... bravo!!

    Ummm, I have a kinda similar coin, but my sweet ol' example has Zeus, rather than Herakles (oh, and an eagle tossed-in for stevex6's pleasure) ...

    Sicily, Syracuse Æ Hemidrachm
    Timoleon and the Third Democracy

    (30 Onkia)
    344-317 BC
    Timoleontic Symmachy coinage. 1st series, circa 344-339/8 BC
    Diameter: 24 mm
    Weight: 16.94 grams
    Obverse: Laureate head of Zeus Eleutherios right
    Reverse: Upright thunderbolt; to right, eagle standing right
    Reference: Castrizio series I, 1γ; CNS 72; SNG ANS 477-88
    Other: 9h, Good VF, red-brown patina, a few areas of roughness, some cleaning marks
    From the Robert and Julius Diez Collection, Ex Gustav Philipsen Collection (Part I, J. Hirsch XV, 28 May 1906), lot 1227


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  16. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A pretty cool find!
     
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