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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1965932, member: 19463"]I'm sorry I was slow to see this one since it is a pet subject of mine. I would be honored if anyone would check my pages on the subject:</p><p><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac73xxi.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac73xxi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac73xxi.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>These large, post reform folles were made from the same metal stock as the pre reform antoniniani. After years of having the ratio of 20 parts copper to one part silver on antoniniani only a few of the big folles bore the ratio mark. Part of that is because it was not long before debasement made the amount of silver less than this so we wouldn't want to advertise it. </p><p><br /></p><p>I have two related coins to show:</p><p>First is the equivalent Diocletian. Mine is RIC 30a page 665 volume VI. Yours is RIC 30b. Why RIC used the a-b letters to separate these rather than whole numbers is wholly beyond me. These things were silvered when issued and a few still have some silver. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]347949[/ATTACH] </p><p>My second coin is the Galerius Caesar of the following series. It is RIC 33b. The difference between the two series (30a through 31b and 32a through 33b) is the second group dated 301 has the I from XXI under the officina letter while the first group has the entire XXI on the left side. Therefore your coin is from the first group and RIC 30b. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]347950[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>There have been a lot of people put a lot of effort into denying the meaning of the alloy mark. I used to try to be easy to get along with and allow them their view but no more. There is just too much evidence that XXI (and KA - the Greek equivalent) means the coin is a 20 to 1 alloy. Let me point out that we would say that this is 1/21st silver since we count the whole weight as the denominator. The Romans gave the recipe (take one part silver and 20 parts copper and mix well). Valentinian has shown his coins of Tacitus here where the alloy was double rich and the mark XI. </p><p><br /></p><p>Another Galerius retaining no silver is RIC 31b and part of the series with my Diocletian (XXI all on left). </p><p>[ATTACH=full]347960[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Finally here is a Constantius I Caesar coin that could be called RIC 33a since it has the I on right but it is an ancient cast fake as can be seen from the porous surfaces and edge marks where it was cast on a stack of coins. I do not own but have seen several clay molds offered for sale used to make coins like this. The disks were stacked into a column, metal poured in and broken apart. My coin shows no effort to hide the edge scar. I don't know who made it but I suspect there was a major counterfeiting ring operating at the time judging from the survivors in both cast coin and clay mold form. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]347959[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1965932, member: 19463"]I'm sorry I was slow to see this one since it is a pet subject of mine. I would be honored if anyone would check my pages on the subject: [url]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac73xxi.html[/url] These large, post reform folles were made from the same metal stock as the pre reform antoniniani. After years of having the ratio of 20 parts copper to one part silver on antoniniani only a few of the big folles bore the ratio mark. Part of that is because it was not long before debasement made the amount of silver less than this so we wouldn't want to advertise it. I have two related coins to show: First is the equivalent Diocletian. Mine is RIC 30a page 665 volume VI. Yours is RIC 30b. Why RIC used the a-b letters to separate these rather than whole numbers is wholly beyond me. These things were silvered when issued and a few still have some silver. [ATTACH=full]347949[/ATTACH] My second coin is the Galerius Caesar of the following series. It is RIC 33b. The difference between the two series (30a through 31b and 32a through 33b) is the second group dated 301 has the I from XXI under the officina letter while the first group has the entire XXI on the left side. Therefore your coin is from the first group and RIC 30b. [ATTACH=full]347950[/ATTACH] There have been a lot of people put a lot of effort into denying the meaning of the alloy mark. I used to try to be easy to get along with and allow them their view but no more. There is just too much evidence that XXI (and KA - the Greek equivalent) means the coin is a 20 to 1 alloy. Let me point out that we would say that this is 1/21st silver since we count the whole weight as the denominator. The Romans gave the recipe (take one part silver and 20 parts copper and mix well). Valentinian has shown his coins of Tacitus here where the alloy was double rich and the mark XI. Another Galerius retaining no silver is RIC 31b and part of the series with my Diocletian (XXI all on left). [ATTACH=full]347960[/ATTACH] Finally here is a Constantius I Caesar coin that could be called RIC 33a since it has the I on right but it is an ancient cast fake as can be seen from the porous surfaces and edge marks where it was cast on a stack of coins. I do not own but have seen several clay molds offered for sale used to make coins like this. The disks were stacked into a column, metal poured in and broken apart. My coin shows no effort to hide the edge scar. I don't know who made it but I suspect there was a major counterfeiting ring operating at the time judging from the survivors in both cast coin and clay mold form. [ATTACH=full]347959[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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