Ancients => Man, that's Bull!!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by stevex6, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    That's a great looking man-faced bull, in this case representing Acheloios Savo, Savo being the local river highly venerated by the people of Cales for a very long time.

    One of the more important contributions of Potamikon is a re-dating of some types from Cales, including yours. Rutter (and maybe Crawford, too) clumped these together in the 265-240 range but that's very doubtful. We re-date the coinage into three phases, and Phase I, during which your coin was minted, dates 317-280 BC, corresponding to Taliercio's Phase II for Neapolitan coinage.

    There are fifteen different varieties with sixteen-ray star above the MFB. I think I see an A, in which case it would be Sambon 957; Santangelo 691-2; MSP I, 80, but a more general attribution would be MSP I, 80-95 var.
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great coins Steve! Sadly I do not have any of these.
     
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  4. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    Great coin, Steve-o! I have several MFBs, but have posted them before. Also, I recently posted a 2-part MFB thread.
     
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Congrats on the under-estimate score, Steve. All I have to trot out is this old leper...

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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Anatomically correct too! I hope the wife don't see these hate to loose her over a man bull.
     
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  7. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    It seems like some references call these a man headed bull and more recently maybe? a man faced bull which seems a more accurate description particularly when there are obvious horns present.

    Is one term always the correct one or does it depend on the design?
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Um... Dude... That is a bit scary.
     
  9. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    I have a Bull, Syracuse, Sicily. Under Agatohkles (317-289 BC) AE 20 6.45 gms Head of Kore, Bull butting left club and m, ie below SNG ANS 580. 000403_l.jpeg
     
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  10. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    These Campania and most others are man-faced bulls but there are a few true man-headed bulls out there. Iaitas has a man-headed bull on one of its coins and so does Laos.

    Most English writers (incorrectly) say "man-headed bull" but not all. In Italian it is usually always "tauro androcephalo" meaning "man-faced bull" but the Germans seem to use both.
     
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  11. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    That's a pretty decent one. Is it a T or just a dash behind Apollo?
     
  12. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Gamma. This is the info you gave me about it the last time :

    "It is MSP I, 328 (Gamma behind Apollo/IS below bull, X monogram in ex). Taliercio IIIa.6; Sambon 656; SNG France 986. Taliercio recorded only 13 examples."

    I love having a resident MFB expert on board :).
     
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  13. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Oh, that's right! Very happy to be here and see people excited about the man-faced bull!
     
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  14. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I would be excited too, if only I could get one :(
     
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  15. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    My only MFB is an overstrike, you have to look sideways.
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  16. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    My only MFB is this tiny Gela AR litra.

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  17. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Those are both fantastic coins!
     
  18. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Incidentally, the books shipped from Oxford today.
     
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  19. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Great news!!
     
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  20. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful man/headed/faced bull @stevex6 !!!

    Great posts everyone!!!

    My recent pick-up and my only example of the type----a didrachm from Neapolis: manheaded bull didrachm neopolis.jpg
     
  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Really looking forward to it! Where do we order?
     
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