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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 1882663, member: 56859"]Hmm, looks like I only have two more. There are at least 8 places that issued winged boar coins and someday I hope to have at least one from each. So far I only have Klazomenai (where the vast majority were made), Samos, and Rhodos.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]319657[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>IONIA, Samos. 510-500 BC</b></p><p>AR drachm, 13.7 mm, 3.2 gm</p><p>Obv: forepart of winged boar left</p><p>Rev: facing lion scalp with dotted square, within incuse square</p><p>Ref: SNG Cop 1673</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]319658[/ATTACH]</p><p>From a nice eBay score, misidentified and at a great price. This one is a bit different, a sweeter-looking pig. Looks more like Wilbur. Can't tell if that is a bristled ridge or its right wing. </p><p><br /></p><p><b>ISLANDS off CARIA, Rhodos. Ialysos. 480-408 BC</b></p><p>AR Obol (or some other size-appropriate fractional name), 9 mm, 0.6 gm</p><p>Obv: forepart of winged boar left</p><p>Rev: helmeted head of Athena right within incuse square.</p><p>Ref: SNG Keckman 315; Karl 373 (a guess based on a similar CNG coin...)</p><p><br /></p><p>There was some discussion about the origin and meaning of the winged boar. In Klazomenai, it may be from the legend of the Hus Klazomenaios, winged sow which rampaged through the islands.</p><p><br /></p><p>From <a href="http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HusKlazomenaios.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HusKlazomenaios.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HusKlazomenaios.html</a> :</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Aelian, On Animals 12. 38 (trans. Scholfield) (Greek natural history C2nd A.D.) :</i></p><p>"I have heard that on Klazomenai [and island west of Smyrna] there was a Sow with wings, and it ravaged the territory of Klazomenai. And Artemon records this in his Annals of Klazomenai. That is why there is a spot named and celebrated as `The Place of the Winged Sow,’ and it is famous. But if anyone regards this as myth, let him do so."</p><p><br /></p><p>A question was raised about the sex of these porkers, with someone pointing out that the bristled ridge is found in males, not females. However, yesterday I saw a coin which clearly depicted a sow and she has a bristled ridge. Not a winged pig but otherwise similar. A Mysia, Kyzikos EL hekte from <a href="http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=253347" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=253347" rel="nofollow">CNG</a>, a current offering which some lucky person is taking home today:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3220203.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 1882663, member: 56859"]Hmm, looks like I only have two more. There are at least 8 places that issued winged boar coins and someday I hope to have at least one from each. So far I only have Klazomenai (where the vast majority were made), Samos, and Rhodos. [ATTACH=full]319657[/ATTACH] [B]IONIA, Samos. 510-500 BC[/B] AR drachm, 13.7 mm, 3.2 gm Obv: forepart of winged boar left Rev: facing lion scalp with dotted square, within incuse square Ref: SNG Cop 1673 [ATTACH=full]319658[/ATTACH] From a nice eBay score, misidentified and at a great price. This one is a bit different, a sweeter-looking pig. Looks more like Wilbur. Can't tell if that is a bristled ridge or its right wing. [B]ISLANDS off CARIA, Rhodos. Ialysos. 480-408 BC[/B] AR Obol (or some other size-appropriate fractional name), 9 mm, 0.6 gm Obv: forepart of winged boar left Rev: helmeted head of Athena right within incuse square. Ref: SNG Keckman 315; Karl 373 (a guess based on a similar CNG coin...) There was some discussion about the origin and meaning of the winged boar. In Klazomenai, it may be from the legend of the Hus Klazomenaios, winged sow which rampaged through the islands. From [url]http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HusKlazomenaios.html[/url] : [I]Aelian, On Animals 12. 38 (trans. Scholfield) (Greek natural history C2nd A.D.) :[/I] "I have heard that on Klazomenai [and island west of Smyrna] there was a Sow with wings, and it ravaged the territory of Klazomenai. And Artemon records this in his Annals of Klazomenai. That is why there is a spot named and celebrated as `The Place of the Winged Sow,’ and it is famous. But if anyone regards this as myth, let him do so." A question was raised about the sex of these porkers, with someone pointing out that the bristled ridge is found in males, not females. However, yesterday I saw a coin which clearly depicted a sow and she has a bristled ridge. Not a winged pig but otherwise similar. A Mysia, Kyzikos EL hekte from [URL='http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=253347']CNG[/URL], a current offering which some lucky person is taking home today: [IMG]http://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3220203.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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