Ancients get "Wings" Stickers...

I'm going to think about a french universal certification kompany

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LOL just like the REAL brand French Connection UK clothes folks were wearing when I lived in the UK!

 

One of the things I've been telling newbies who visit my ancients site is to go to "cointalk - ancients" as both a way to learn about the various collecting avenues and understanding what issues are important to the more experienced collectors. To me they are of equal importance.

 

You each control what you will pay for a coin. It makes no difference whether a coin is slabbed, stickered or both unless you decide that you can not live without that coin. VERY few of us have shown coins here that are so rare and so marketable that we could not wait until another day and get, perhaps, an even better coin. When you pay extra for a coin with add ons, you are saying that the coin is worth more to you. There are still plenty of coins out there not stickered. Just take your money and walk.

EXCEPT: You should really value the CACA stickers. They are awarded only to the absolute finest coins and by the most expert of experts. A little known fact is that CACA, Inc. also issues the option of a completely invisible sticker which they will apply not only to the well known slabs but also to Raw coins. To apply for your invisible CACA, just sent $25 and the sticker will appear on your coins applied by the same technique used by The Emperor's New Clothes magic tailor. Postage costs have been reduced and the chance for loss is considerably less. The stickers are guaranteed to remain in their original, invisible condition as long as you own the coin. I assure you that a CAC of Faith is every bit as valid as the opinion of any other sticker applied by people who consider Franklin halves to be ancient coins.

The truth: I do respect the gentlemen who grade and encapsulate for NGC. I do not agree with their decision to change the grading system to be friendly to their target market which they and I agree is not the kind of collectors that typically read these pages in the Ancient Section. If you feel that you can not live without coins without considering those overpriced for any reason (not just their type of container) you are the problem. Select your favorite sellers, pay them what you are willing to pay and be patient. You do not have to buy every coin in every sale. Let the rich people have a few.

 

This is the truth. Everyone of us have to be patient and exercise the necessary restraints.

 

I need sticker to tell me a coin is pretty about as much as I need one to tell me that water is wet.

 

She said "caca", uhhuhhuhhuh...

 

When I read the link I couldn't help thinking it was some kind of bad joke (as opposed to several actually good jokes that followed in this thread).

The irrational optimist in me hopes this sort of silliness will never gain any traction in our hobby and eventually just die a quiet, ignoble death.

 

We should start a company to authenticate, slab and grade the review stickered slabbed graded ancients.

 

OK for slabbing slabs, but then, tell me how you remove the coin in them without ruining the slab : I don't want no coin spoiling my beloved slabs !!

Q

 

Sound like a way to make even more money!

 

Well my idea is already taken, ziplock bags to protect the slab that protects the coin.

http://shop.coinarmour.com/3-1-4-x-4-Coin-Storage-Bags-Click-Image-for-Product-Detail-001.htm

 

But what will protect the ziplock?

 

The coin box : http://shop.coinarmour.com/6-1-4-x-3-x-3-3-4-Coin-Box-Click-Image-for-Product-Detail-005.htm

Q

 

I also find it funny that as kids we like to receive stickers to validate us that we are doing good. As adults we still like stickers to validate that we have something good. Well, at least for those that like the FPG graded stuff.

Not good enough, now we need something to protect the box.

 

Why not SLAB the box? Then, we can start the circle again.

 

If you needed further proof of what TPGs are trying to do to our hobby, here is a quote from a "Rare Coins" website that specializes on only selling TPG slabbed coins.

In other words, buy graded ancient coins...it's the next get rich quick market in numismatics. If it was me, I'd say "Buy ancient coins for their beauty and their history, the uniqueness of each hand-struck coin, etc, etc." But for the modern investor, it's all about commodity, market forces, investment, higher price potential, etc. They don't want to hear why Caracalla's portraits had a frown, or why Rome minted the Victoriatus, or why the coinage was devaluated in the 3rd century, or how the antoninianus came to replace the denarius...all they want to hear is "rare," "commodity", "profit potential."

 

That's the way it is for any hobby though. World revolves around money, period!

 

So true when it comes to collectibles including coins. Almost everyone is out to make a profit. I have no problems with it, if you can make money out of a hobby you love, why not? Besides, no one is stopping the buyer from cracking the slab if they decide to.

 

Grading is so subjective. Here are my two cents....

Just today, Stacks/Bowers auctioned off a Hungary (Louis the Great) AV Goldgulden circa 1342 AD. This coin was slabbed as a MS-64 by NGC.
Meantime, I looked at my similar coin, which I won at Pannonia Terra Numizmatika Auction/Budapest, which was graded as mint state.....its way better quality then the Stacks/Bowers slabbed example. Also Gallery 51 had a Salut d'0r Henry VI (English Occupation of France) circa 1430 graded "virtually mintstate" I have this coin, when compared to a Heritage Auction MS-66, mine is also far superior.