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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2004585, member: 19463"]Regarding color: I always believed that the brown Postumus coins were later and the gray ones had more silver and were earlier with billon/porous ones lik your Serapis in the middle. A recently posted link to a site dividing them into issues contradicted this but the fact remains that some types are usually gray and other types are brown/dark. Compare my two like the above Pax and Serapis. My photo makes the dark pax lighter than it is. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]359744[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]359745[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>There are exceptions including Moneta which I believe was issued more than once. We see the same thing in Gallienus whose metal was being debased continuously at the same time. You might find your IOVI VICTORI in lighter brown but I doubt you will get it gray. The color looks like a hoard that was batch cleaned and retoned as is common with these huge hoards that have been found. </p><p><br /></p><p>Conversely, there are types that are usually gray so you will have more trouble finding them dark. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]359746[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]359747[/ATTACH] </p><p>I'm sure none of this as is simple as I've suggested here but I also doubt that your black coins are bronze disease survivors. I know a dealer with several of the coins with COS dated reverses. All are dark and shiny. Perhaps they came from a hoard with your pair??? I have not seen one of these with silver color but that does not mean they do not exist. Such things require serious studies by real scholars with access to the huge hoards. Such people tend to work at the British Museum and the like but don't hang around CT, unfortunately. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]359748[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2004585, member: 19463"]Regarding color: I always believed that the brown Postumus coins were later and the gray ones had more silver and were earlier with billon/porous ones lik your Serapis in the middle. A recently posted link to a site dividing them into issues contradicted this but the fact remains that some types are usually gray and other types are brown/dark. Compare my two like the above Pax and Serapis. My photo makes the dark pax lighter than it is. [ATTACH=full]359744[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]359745[/ATTACH] There are exceptions including Moneta which I believe was issued more than once. We see the same thing in Gallienus whose metal was being debased continuously at the same time. You might find your IOVI VICTORI in lighter brown but I doubt you will get it gray. The color looks like a hoard that was batch cleaned and retoned as is common with these huge hoards that have been found. Conversely, there are types that are usually gray so you will have more trouble finding them dark. [ATTACH=full]359746[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]359747[/ATTACH] I'm sure none of this as is simple as I've suggested here but I also doubt that your black coins are bronze disease survivors. I know a dealer with several of the coins with COS dated reverses. All are dark and shiny. Perhaps they came from a hoard with your pair??? I have not seen one of these with silver color but that does not mean they do not exist. Such things require serious studies by real scholars with access to the huge hoards. Such people tend to work at the British Museum and the like but don't hang around CT, unfortunately. [ATTACH=full]359748[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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