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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1968139, member: 19463"]I hope that offer stands equally for the rest of us. Of course I have an opinion but there are a lot of variations on these that are a lot harder to force into A and B. All opinions are welcome but 'Nice Coin' is not an opinion in the sense being discussed here. Earlier and later or c. 330BC are opinions. I hope others here will post other Classical owls (I believe we have already covered Pi Styles here recently and established that none of us have pre-Classicals???). CT Ancients is a place of learning - at least for those who want it to be.</p><p><br /></p><p>Equally, condition is a question of how much we value freedom from wear and how much we like pristine surfaces, noses, crests etc. etc. That is why I wrote my page on the Augustus & Agrippa / crocodile coins which are as hard to grade as as these owls. Your coin has smooth surfaces, rather little wing wear and equivalent on the highest part of the head of Athena but how much more of these would you accept to be rid of that reverse scratch? How much more to get some/all crest? How much difference would you make if your smile turned to a frown? These are all questions that drive the prices for such coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>I'll guarantee that my crested dog was nowhere near a 'few thousand' but medoraman is right that taking a high grade coin and adding features lacked to make a 'perfect' coin would make a price with really obscene numbers. Such coins do exist - they are not cheap.</p><p><br /></p><p>Below are my three 'Classical' owls (forgive me the test cuts, they bother me less than they do the market). I'm not asking grades and values but only opinions on placements on the timeline. (I will point out that the one with three cuts has about as perfect centering as is possible being touched on every side.) I would be interested in hearing not only the dates you might assign to each but what features led you to those numbers (smile style, eye, owl, depth of incuse etc. etc.). Even for those of us who will not have a whole 'parliament' of owls in our collection, there are enough photos published that we can study the series. In the 50-60 years of the 'Classical' style there were a lot of changes and many millions of coins. Add to that the 'other' mints of the East and Egypt only starting to be understood. There is much to learn.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]348666[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]348667[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]348668[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1968139, member: 19463"]I hope that offer stands equally for the rest of us. Of course I have an opinion but there are a lot of variations on these that are a lot harder to force into A and B. All opinions are welcome but 'Nice Coin' is not an opinion in the sense being discussed here. Earlier and later or c. 330BC are opinions. I hope others here will post other Classical owls (I believe we have already covered Pi Styles here recently and established that none of us have pre-Classicals???). CT Ancients is a place of learning - at least for those who want it to be. Equally, condition is a question of how much we value freedom from wear and how much we like pristine surfaces, noses, crests etc. etc. That is why I wrote my page on the Augustus & Agrippa / crocodile coins which are as hard to grade as as these owls. Your coin has smooth surfaces, rather little wing wear and equivalent on the highest part of the head of Athena but how much more of these would you accept to be rid of that reverse scratch? How much more to get some/all crest? How much difference would you make if your smile turned to a frown? These are all questions that drive the prices for such coins. I'll guarantee that my crested dog was nowhere near a 'few thousand' but medoraman is right that taking a high grade coin and adding features lacked to make a 'perfect' coin would make a price with really obscene numbers. Such coins do exist - they are not cheap. Below are my three 'Classical' owls (forgive me the test cuts, they bother me less than they do the market). I'm not asking grades and values but only opinions on placements on the timeline. (I will point out that the one with three cuts has about as perfect centering as is possible being touched on every side.) I would be interested in hearing not only the dates you might assign to each but what features led you to those numbers (smile style, eye, owl, depth of incuse etc. etc.). Even for those of us who will not have a whole 'parliament' of owls in our collection, there are enough photos published that we can study the series. In the 50-60 years of the 'Classical' style there were a lot of changes and many millions of coins. Add to that the 'other' mints of the East and Egypt only starting to be understood. There is much to learn. [ATTACH=full]348666[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]348667[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]348668[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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