[ancients] An Unusual Mode of Transportation

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TIF, Oct 20, 2014.

  1. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Super post and coins. stevex6 - what a sweet selection you have there. Actually found a few that may work for this thread.

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  3. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    showoff.;)
     
  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Traveling in style
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I know someone who just acquired a nice example of that cupid denarius ;)
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Yippeee, the Cupid biga arrived today. Biga. Of Cupids.

    Awesome.

    At the risk of sounded totally girlie, isn't it adorable? :D Added to the "Unusual Modes of Transportation" set.

    Here's a hasty picture. The iridescence is even better than shown here so I will keep trying to capture better images.

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    Roman Republic, L. Julius L. f. Caesar
    103 BC

    AR denarius, 17mm, 3.9 gm
    Obv: Helmeted head of Mars left; CAESAR; ・J above
    Rev: Venus Genetrix in chariot left, drawn by two Cupids; lyre to left; ・J above
    Ref: Crawford 320/1.
    Jencek E-auction 26, lot 58, 14 October 2014. Ex CNG XXXI lot 699, September 1994; ex RBW Collection

    A bit about this moneyer, from CNG's archives:


    Why Venus Genetrix?

    The Julian family claimed descent from Venus through the Trojan exile Aeneas. As for the use of Cupid on this coin, Cupid/Eros is by some accounts the infant of Venus. I guess Venus was making the most of her children's gifts although one could argue that it's child abuse :D.

    Regarding the ・J control marks, from a similar coin's description in a Goldberg auction:

    The controls found on the denarii of L. Julius L.f. Caesar are the letters of the Latin alphabet (only through S) either alone or found accompanied by one or two pellets. The same control mark that is found on the obverse invariably appears on the reverse also, and no pair of controls has more than one pair of dies.

    About the RBW Collection:

    RBW curated an outstanding collection of Roman Republican coins, jumping from US coins to his first ancient coin in 1960. Like many of us, he was amazed that an ordinary person could own such an antiquity-- and for so little money! Next he bought a book-- Sydenham's work on coins of the Roman Republic-- and then he was hooked. Without coin collecting heirs, he decided to sell his collection late in life. The first part was offered by NAC in 2011.

    The rest of his brief autobiography and a delightful introduction by Roberto Russo can be read in the NAC auction brochure. It's definitely worth a read.
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2014
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I dare not use the term "adorable", but that is what heck of a coin TIF. You are getting into the big leagues here lately. I'm being left behind (sniff). Actually, I'm very happy for you. Great new coin.
     
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  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    That coin absolutely "rocks"!! (well done => super cute & very cool)


    .... the lyre is also very cool
     
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  9. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    I want that coin!
     
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  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Yeah, this was the coin I had in mind when I mentioned the type. It's the most striking version I've seen and obviously the provenance is great. I looked at it more than a few times but pre-cognition must have warned me not to bid on it :). Congrats and don't work those Cupids too hard!
     
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  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I had some headroom left on my bid* and was willing to go even higher. I'm glad we didn't have a bidding war :)

    *I rarely pre-bid on coins but we had an impending weather event the night before and I wasn't sure I'd have electricity during the auction so I dropped a bid bomb on it the day before.
     
  12. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Oh, it wouldn't have been much of a war. I'm just glad I didn't run under that falling bomb. :D
     
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  13. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    OH MY ...THAT IS AWESOME!!! i've never seen anything like that...creepy, cute, and just a beauty...what great color also.
     
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  14. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member


    Fantastic! Your quick images are already far better than the auction images. A great acquisition indeed!
     
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  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    In the Republic there were some unusual ways to take a ride. Hop in your biga of snakes and go!
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    This type from 78 BC, moneyer M. Volteius.
    Head of young Bacchus or Liber right (note the ivy wreath)
    Ceres in a biga of snakes. Control symbol behind--this one a heron.
    Sear 314. Crawford 385/3.
     
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  16. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    Your cupids arrived already? Dang I am still waiting on my coin. I hope it comes tomorrow otherwise I am waiting until next week.

    I think this is the first time we have almost competed for the same coin! The auction house pictures truly didn't do it justice. Did it come with the tags from the previous auction?
     
  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    No prior tags accompanied the coin.

    I hope your coin arrives soon! Waiting and worrying are not fun.
     
  18. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Search algorithm fail :D

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  19. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    So TIF, I'm assuming that you ended-up buying that sweet "Men In Your Face" T-shirt?
     
  20. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Ha, good one. I can't even figure out the design on that Tshirt.
     
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  21. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Here, you can put these stickers on it. :)

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    It's a magnificent coin, congratulations!
     
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