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<p>[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 2835047, member: 88829"]I just came across this thread this evening, and was intrigued to watch you noodle it through, TIF. I was glad to see you staying with it on the vocalization track, and impressed. You did very well for one not trained in this. Congrats. Let me fill in a blank spot or two. You mused about rules for vowels. They had them. Phoenician is in the family of languages called "West Semitic." The length and quality of vowels in West Semitic is related to the position of the associated consonant in a word, and the location of stress. </p><p><br /></p><p>Your second word: as a verb "to rule" takes <i>a</i>-vowels (<i>malak</i>), but as a noun "king" it follows a different vocalic pattern (more typical of East Semitic) and reads as <i>malku</i>. In further West Semitic linguistic development (Hebrew) this becomes the base form for words called "segholates" (with <i>e</i>-vowels) and as a segholate noun reads as <i>melek</i> = king. The form you have given did not exist.</p><p><br /></p><p>The name of the city on the maritime coast is similar but not so simple. Cutting to the chase: if we vocalize on the basis of Hebrew parallels, the vowels are (reduced + a) as <i>g(<u>e</u>)-bal</i>', accent on second syllable. The reduced vowel is not a short "e" but a <i>shewa</i> like the e in "the cat" If we vocalize on the basis of the Akkadian parallel (East Semitic) we read "<i>Gubli</i>" (that is the more likely based on the normal behavior of Ugaritic which is essentially Phoenician). Chances are very good that back then people pronounced the city name differently depending upon where they were from.</p><p><br /></p><p>So <i>'Uzba'al malku Gubli</i> (if you were Eastern) or <i>'Uzba'al melek G(e)bal</i> (late western accent - i.e. Hebrew)</p><p><br /></p><p>The ancients had as much variation in language as we do.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 2835047, member: 88829"]I just came across this thread this evening, and was intrigued to watch you noodle it through, TIF. I was glad to see you staying with it on the vocalization track, and impressed. You did very well for one not trained in this. Congrats. Let me fill in a blank spot or two. You mused about rules for vowels. They had them. Phoenician is in the family of languages called "West Semitic." The length and quality of vowels in West Semitic is related to the position of the associated consonant in a word, and the location of stress. Your second word: as a verb "to rule" takes [I]a[/I]-vowels ([I]malak[/I]), but as a noun "king" it follows a different vocalic pattern (more typical of East Semitic) and reads as [I]malku[/I]. In further West Semitic linguistic development (Hebrew) this becomes the base form for words called "segholates" (with [I]e[/I]-vowels) and as a segholate noun reads as [I]melek[/I] = king. The form you have given did not exist. The name of the city on the maritime coast is similar but not so simple. Cutting to the chase: if we vocalize on the basis of Hebrew parallels, the vowels are (reduced + a) as [I]g([U]e[/U])-bal[/I]', accent on second syllable. The reduced vowel is not a short "e" but a [I]shewa[/I] like the e in "the cat" If we vocalize on the basis of the Akkadian parallel (East Semitic) we read "[I]Gubli[/I]" (that is the more likely based on the normal behavior of Ugaritic which is essentially Phoenician). Chances are very good that back then people pronounced the city name differently depending upon where they were from. So [I]'Uzba'al malku Gubli[/I] (if you were Eastern) or [I]'Uzba'al melek G(e)bal[/I] (late western accent - i.e. Hebrew) The ancients had as much variation in language as we do.[/QUOTE]
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