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<p>[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 4584207, member: 51347"]Very interesting. I find it also interesting that certain parts of the world gets a focus on these natural events, while others are not mentioned.</p><p><br /></p><p>I, personally think it is kinda a stretch that Roman Republic fell over a cold winter or two... The New York Times may be pushing the impact it a bit...</p><p><br /></p><p>China was a major Empire and economic entity by this time:</p><p><br /></p><p>Quick look at CHINESE HISTORY during that time period on <b><i>Wikipedia</i></b>, shows no real major effect for the Han Dynasty... However, I do not have detailed histories pertaining to this specific 43 BCE time period. Maybe there were no tipping points for this Empire at that time, and the event was just a cold Winter / bad harvest.</p><p><br /></p><p>"The <b>Han dynasty</b> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_characters" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_characters" rel="nofollow">Chinese</a>: <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%BC%A2%E6%9C%9D" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%BC%A2%E6%9C%9D" rel="nofollow">漢朝</a>; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin" rel="nofollow">pinyin</a>: <i>Hàncháo</i>) was the second <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasties_in_Chinese_history" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasties_in_Chinese_history" rel="nofollow">imperial dynasty of China</a> (206 BC–220 AD), preceded by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_dynasty" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_dynasty" rel="nofollow">Qin dynasty</a> (221–206 BC) and succeeded by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms" rel="nofollow">Three Kingdoms</a> period (220–280 AD). Spanning over four centuries, the Han period is considered a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_(metaphor)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_(metaphor)" rel="nofollow">golden age</a> in Chinese history.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-FOOTNOTEZhou200334-4" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-FOOTNOTEZhou200334-4" rel="nofollow">[4]</a> To this day, China's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese" rel="nofollow">majority ethnic group</a> refers to themselves as the "Han Chinese" (Han Zu) and the Chinese script is referred to as "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters" rel="nofollow">Han characters</a>".<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-FOOTNOTESchaefer2008279-5" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-FOOTNOTESchaefer2008279-5" rel="nofollow">[5]</a> It was founded by the rebel leader <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Bang" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Bang" rel="nofollow">Liu Bang</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthumous_name" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthumous_name" rel="nofollow">known posthumously</a> as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Han" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Han" rel="nofollow">Emperor Gaozu of Han</a>, and briefly interrupted by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xin_dynasty" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xin_dynasty" rel="nofollow">Xin dynasty</a> (9–23 AD) of the former regent <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Mang" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Mang" rel="nofollow">Wang Mang</a>. This interregnum separates the Han dynasty into two periods: the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#Western_Han" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#Western_Han" rel="nofollow">Western Han</a> or Former Han (206 BC–9 AD) and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#Eastern_Han" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#Eastern_Han" rel="nofollow">Eastern Han</a> or Later Han (25–220 AD)."</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: #b30000">HOLY COW: The West makes a big deal that Caesar changed the Calendar, using Egyptian help. But the Chinese were REALLY getting the calculations down pat:</span></b></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><b>Astronomy[<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Han_dynasty&action=edit&section=30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Han_dynasty&action=edit&section=30" rel="nofollow">edit</a>]</b></font></p><p>Further information: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_astronomy" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_astronomy" rel="nofollow">Chinese astronomy</a></p><p>Mathematics were essential in drafting the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar" rel="nofollow">astronomical calendar</a>, a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar" rel="nofollow">lunisolar calendar</a> that used the Sun and Moon as time-markers throughout the year.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-292" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-292" rel="nofollow">[292]</a> During the spring and autumn periods of the 5th century BC, the Chinese established the Sifen calendar (古四分历), which measured the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_year" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_year" rel="nofollow">tropical year</a> at 3651⁄4 days. This was replaced in 104 BC with the Taichu calendar (太初曆) that <b>measured the tropical year at 365385⁄1539 days and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_month" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_month" rel="nofollow">lunar month</a> at 2943⁄81 days</b>.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 4584207, member: 51347"]Very interesting. I find it also interesting that certain parts of the world gets a focus on these natural events, while others are not mentioned. I, personally think it is kinda a stretch that Roman Republic fell over a cold winter or two... The New York Times may be pushing the impact it a bit... China was a major Empire and economic entity by this time: Quick look at CHINESE HISTORY during that time period on [B][I]Wikipedia[/I][/B], shows no real major effect for the Han Dynasty... However, I do not have detailed histories pertaining to this specific 43 BCE time period. Maybe there were no tipping points for this Empire at that time, and the event was just a cold Winter / bad harvest. "The [B]Han dynasty[/B] ([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_characters']Chinese[/URL]: [URL='https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%BC%A2%E6%9C%9D']漢朝[/URL]; [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin']pinyin[/URL]: [I]Hàncháo[/I]) was the second [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasties_in_Chinese_history']imperial dynasty of China[/URL] (206 BC–220 AD), preceded by the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_dynasty']Qin dynasty[/URL] (221–206 BC) and succeeded by the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms']Three Kingdoms[/URL] period (220–280 AD). Spanning over four centuries, the Han period is considered a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_(metaphor)']golden age[/URL] in Chinese history.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-FOOTNOTEZhou200334-4'][4][/URL] To this day, China's [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese']majority ethnic group[/URL] refers to themselves as the "Han Chinese" (Han Zu) and the Chinese script is referred to as "[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters']Han characters[/URL]".[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-FOOTNOTESchaefer2008279-5'][5][/URL] It was founded by the rebel leader [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Bang']Liu Bang[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthumous_name']known posthumously[/URL] as [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Han']Emperor Gaozu of Han[/URL], and briefly interrupted by the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xin_dynasty']Xin dynasty[/URL] (9–23 AD) of the former regent [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Mang']Wang Mang[/URL]. This interregnum separates the Han dynasty into two periods: the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#Western_Han']Western Han[/URL] or Former Han (206 BC–9 AD) and the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#Eastern_Han']Eastern Han[/URL] or Later Han (25–220 AD)." [B][COLOR=#b30000]HOLY COW: The West makes a big deal that Caesar changed the Calendar, using Egyptian help. But the Chinese were REALLY getting the calculations down pat:[/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][B]Astronomy[[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Han_dynasty&action=edit§ion=30']edit[/URL]][/B][/SIZE] Further information: [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_astronomy']Chinese astronomy[/URL] Mathematics were essential in drafting the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar']astronomical calendar[/URL], a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar']lunisolar calendar[/URL] that used the Sun and Moon as time-markers throughout the year.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#cite_note-292'][292][/URL] During the spring and autumn periods of the 5th century BC, the Chinese established the Sifen calendar (古四分历), which measured the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_year']tropical year[/URL] at 3651⁄4 days. This was replaced in 104 BC with the Taichu calendar (太初曆) that [B]measured the tropical year at 365385⁄1539 days and the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_month']lunar month[/URL] at 2943⁄81 days[/B]. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty[/URL][/QUOTE]
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