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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 5139482, member: 19463"]This was a great explanation of why the question has little practical meaning. For that matter, I'm not so sure I embrace the concept of time at all but that is a philosophic question not best addressed here. Each of the proposals has its merits. I am old fashioned and divided time into three rather than two parts using the term medieval for the middle ground. My coin activity has been 95% ancient using the 476 AD number for the last 50+ years but I was OK with the idea of allowing medieval coins here in the Ancients section of Coin Talk. In particular, that allowed the discussion of Byzantine coins which I like even though I had no real interest in Islamic and Chinese coins of that same day. </p><p><br /></p><p>Lately, I have embraced the concept separating machine made coins as modern (too modern to collect) even though there is an overlap caused by the experimental issues under Elizabeth I. I suppose we could add another group separator being the time when it became unnecessary for coins to contain any meaningful metal value but forced people to think it normal for a nickel to have more melt value than a dime. Or, should we accept the once popular idea where Eastern coins of the late Roman period could be omitted from your book that covered the Western ones of the same people (I'm talking to you Henri Cohen). I'll stick with my belief that all labels and pigeonholes used by historians are unnecessary conventions created to make convenient questions for school tests during the period when rote learning was considered more important than understanding. Yes, I realize I just made another artificial separation but that does seem to be as humans are wont to do. Do I separate people into those who understand the use of 'wont' and those who ask if I meant "won't"? Now I am back to denying time as a valid separator. I can accept 'to be' but try not to dwell on what was or what will be. My coins include things that be and things that I enjoy without labels. </p><p><br /></p><p>Since examples were requested, this coin of John VIII is about as recent as I can get excited about on most days so I must still subscribe to the end of the Byzantine period and the end of collectable time. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1205817[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Some days I can develop an interest in later, hammered coins and even an occasional Russian wire which would postpone 'modern' by a few centuries but those days are abhorrent to my general self and fall into the class of things I collect because I like them. This one is Peter I who ended the old coins and introduced modern ones as abruptly as anyone. I do not own a big, round ruble but they most certainly are modern. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1205818[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for the interesting question but it will remain one with no answer.</p><p><br /></p><p> Here we differ. I have no need for a line. I believe in gray for areas as well as hair. Considering the recent US election cycle and questions raised there, the coin question does not seem complex at all.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 5139482, member: 19463"]This was a great explanation of why the question has little practical meaning. For that matter, I'm not so sure I embrace the concept of time at all but that is a philosophic question not best addressed here. Each of the proposals has its merits. I am old fashioned and divided time into three rather than two parts using the term medieval for the middle ground. My coin activity has been 95% ancient using the 476 AD number for the last 50+ years but I was OK with the idea of allowing medieval coins here in the Ancients section of Coin Talk. In particular, that allowed the discussion of Byzantine coins which I like even though I had no real interest in Islamic and Chinese coins of that same day. Lately, I have embraced the concept separating machine made coins as modern (too modern to collect) even though there is an overlap caused by the experimental issues under Elizabeth I. I suppose we could add another group separator being the time when it became unnecessary for coins to contain any meaningful metal value but forced people to think it normal for a nickel to have more melt value than a dime. Or, should we accept the once popular idea where Eastern coins of the late Roman period could be omitted from your book that covered the Western ones of the same people (I'm talking to you Henri Cohen). I'll stick with my belief that all labels and pigeonholes used by historians are unnecessary conventions created to make convenient questions for school tests during the period when rote learning was considered more important than understanding. Yes, I realize I just made another artificial separation but that does seem to be as humans are wont to do. Do I separate people into those who understand the use of 'wont' and those who ask if I meant "won't"? Now I am back to denying time as a valid separator. I can accept 'to be' but try not to dwell on what was or what will be. My coins include things that be and things that I enjoy without labels. Since examples were requested, this coin of John VIII is about as recent as I can get excited about on most days so I must still subscribe to the end of the Byzantine period and the end of collectable time. [ATTACH=full]1205817[/ATTACH] Some days I can develop an interest in later, hammered coins and even an occasional Russian wire which would postpone 'modern' by a few centuries but those days are abhorrent to my general self and fall into the class of things I collect because I like them. This one is Peter I who ended the old coins and introduced modern ones as abruptly as anyone. I do not own a big, round ruble but they most certainly are modern. [ATTACH=full]1205818[/ATTACH] Thanks for the interesting question but it will remain one with no answer. Here we differ. I have no need for a line. I believe in gray for areas as well as hair. Considering the recent US election cycle and questions raised there, the coin question does not seem complex at all.[/QUOTE]
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