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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1866003, member: 19463"]Regnal year 9</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not claim to understand some of the legends used by Maurice. The OP coin is pretty typical or even a little less jumbled than some. Steve's coin would get IDed by me as Tiberius Constantine but I know only enough about this period to know I don't know.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Roman numerals as taught in modern schools are much more restrictive than those used by the ancients. The Byzantines seemed to prefer ordinary additive numbers except that they had a separate symbol for six in some periods. The first century AD allowed additive (VIIII) or subtractive (IX) and even allowed subtracting two in some cases (XXXIIX = 38 on a coin of Tiberius). I have coins of Titus that show XIX and XVIIII that seem to have been made together. School teachers tend to simplify the matter for an audience of people whose main use for the numbers will be reading a clock. The deeper subject will allow more study.</p><p><br /></p><p>BTW: it does seem that IX is a lot more common that IV in old inscriptions. I saw the explanation that IV is the first two letters in Jupiter and could be taken as swearing. I do not know how accurate this is but it is a cute possibility. </p><p>Maurice Tiberius Constantinople year 9 (6+3)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]314453[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I bought this Antioch because of the year 8 expressed as 3 over 5. Sear Byzantine lists it as an option for 5+3 so it is not subtractive. If it were, that would leave 2 and that would be a really silly way of writing 2 so I'll go with Sear. I can't show a subtractive Byzantine but that does not mean they don't exist. Byzantine is not my specialty. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]314454[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Another half truth told in Latin class is that we have to use V for U. The Byzantines had developed the round bottom letter by this time. What we study does not allow for many changes made between the eras of Etruscan beginnings and modern clock numerals.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1866003, member: 19463"]Regnal year 9 I do not claim to understand some of the legends used by Maurice. The OP coin is pretty typical or even a little less jumbled than some. Steve's coin would get IDed by me as Tiberius Constantine but I know only enough about this period to know I don't know. Roman numerals as taught in modern schools are much more restrictive than those used by the ancients. The Byzantines seemed to prefer ordinary additive numbers except that they had a separate symbol for six in some periods. The first century AD allowed additive (VIIII) or subtractive (IX) and even allowed subtracting two in some cases (XXXIIX = 38 on a coin of Tiberius). I have coins of Titus that show XIX and XVIIII that seem to have been made together. School teachers tend to simplify the matter for an audience of people whose main use for the numbers will be reading a clock. The deeper subject will allow more study. BTW: it does seem that IX is a lot more common that IV in old inscriptions. I saw the explanation that IV is the first two letters in Jupiter and could be taken as swearing. I do not know how accurate this is but it is a cute possibility. Maurice Tiberius Constantinople year 9 (6+3) [ATTACH=full]314453[/ATTACH] I bought this Antioch because of the year 8 expressed as 3 over 5. Sear Byzantine lists it as an option for 5+3 so it is not subtractive. If it were, that would leave 2 and that would be a really silly way of writing 2 so I'll go with Sear. I can't show a subtractive Byzantine but that does not mean they don't exist. Byzantine is not my specialty. [ATTACH=full]314454[/ATTACH] Another half truth told in Latin class is that we have to use V for U. The Byzantines had developed the round bottom letter by this time. What we study does not allow for many changes made between the eras of Etruscan beginnings and modern clock numerals.[/QUOTE]
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