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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 8183546, member: 19463"]This thread is a bit of a dilemma for me. I like imitations and have a few but we have discussed the subject in the past and I have no firm idea what I showed then and what I did not. The fact remains that I probably showed my favorite examples which raises the question as to whether I should show them again (and again???) or select something relatively boring just because it may possibly be new to those who have been here a while. Somehow I prefer showing what I consider 'better' barbarous and will apologize to old timers who have seen them before. My favorite barbs are earlier than the period of greatest interest here so I'll stick to a few from the 4th century.</p><p><br /></p><p>Easily my favorite is the URBS ROMA wolfie with legends that read correctly and style that does not seem to strange unless you consider neing a mirror image of both sides to be 'strange'. The TRP mintmark assigns the coin to Trier which was often a bit strange in some ways making it a question as to just what is and what is not official. I say this is barbarous but I can see that it could have just been 'Friday afternoon'.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1431109[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The best barbarous coins are, IMHO, those with the worst departure from 'normal'. This Falling Horseman shows the alphabet simplified a bit leaving a bunch of I's, a couple O's and perhaps a T or an H if you stretch the point.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1431113[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This one does away with all that foolishness and reduces the legend to nothing but I after I after I.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1431114[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>While on Falling Horsemen, it is well known that the rarest and most desirable of all the types is the rare issue in the name of Magnentius. I do not have one to show. If there is anything more rare than rare it is something that does not exist which describes what I am calling a Falling Horseman of Decentius. Unfortunately the lettering leave some points less than obvious. The first two letters are certainly DN. The next letter could be D or M (not to exclude a couple dozen other options) followed by a crack that eliminates a letter. The we have either a C or a G and EN finishing the left side. Decentius has one fewer letter than does Magnentius and counting the letters makes this lack that extra bump or N after the C while Decentius has the correct bump count. The right side legend is pretty clearly TIVSAVGV which could be either unless you are not willing to accept a coin of Decentius as Augustus. The reverse shows a garble save the clear PARATIO on the right and one S in exergue. I'll blame this coin on Siscia or the second shop at Trier (TRS) or some other mint that has an S in the game. The Magnentius FH coin known is from Arles PARL with FH2 --- not even close to this coin. This is obviously barbarous but it might sell for more if I claim it is an issue of "Paul the Chain", Martinus or Silvanus one of whom might have supported Decentius as Augustus. Hey, it works for people selling Aureolus coins. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1431119[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally is a low point of my collecting activity. Many years ago, I pulled the coin below from a junk box because I thought I could make it into a piece of jewelry for my wife. The coin was substantially one sided but had a clear Christian symbol that would make a necklace she might like. Rather than drilling a hole, I enclosed it in a rim mount intended to accept a US quarter. My wife wore it to a dinner at Victor Failmezger's place where we met his out of town friend who specialized in late Roman. (I did not at the time but was doing photos for Victor's book.) He pointed out that the coin seemed to be something that does not exist - a Chi Rho AE2 of Siscia. We really do not know if this was intended to be of Magnentius but the reverse sort-of refers to a Caesar so we assume this was issued for one of the brothers by someone who did not know that Siscia was not an option. I would really feel bad if I made jewelry out of the only known official coin of its type and mint. It is bad enough with a coin as barbarous as it is. If you want it, talk to my wife. She still wears it on appropriate occasions.</p><p>SALVS DD NN AVG AESC? (?)SIS</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1431150[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, that is how I met Valentinian.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 8183546, member: 19463"]This thread is a bit of a dilemma for me. I like imitations and have a few but we have discussed the subject in the past and I have no firm idea what I showed then and what I did not. The fact remains that I probably showed my favorite examples which raises the question as to whether I should show them again (and again???) or select something relatively boring just because it may possibly be new to those who have been here a while. Somehow I prefer showing what I consider 'better' barbarous and will apologize to old timers who have seen them before. My favorite barbs are earlier than the period of greatest interest here so I'll stick to a few from the 4th century. Easily my favorite is the URBS ROMA wolfie with legends that read correctly and style that does not seem to strange unless you consider neing a mirror image of both sides to be 'strange'. The TRP mintmark assigns the coin to Trier which was often a bit strange in some ways making it a question as to just what is and what is not official. I say this is barbarous but I can see that it could have just been 'Friday afternoon'. [ATTACH=full]1431109[/ATTACH] The best barbarous coins are, IMHO, those with the worst departure from 'normal'. This Falling Horseman shows the alphabet simplified a bit leaving a bunch of I's, a couple O's and perhaps a T or an H if you stretch the point. [ATTACH=full]1431113[/ATTACH] This one does away with all that foolishness and reduces the legend to nothing but I after I after I. [ATTACH=full]1431114[/ATTACH] While on Falling Horsemen, it is well known that the rarest and most desirable of all the types is the rare issue in the name of Magnentius. I do not have one to show. If there is anything more rare than rare it is something that does not exist which describes what I am calling a Falling Horseman of Decentius. Unfortunately the lettering leave some points less than obvious. The first two letters are certainly DN. The next letter could be D or M (not to exclude a couple dozen other options) followed by a crack that eliminates a letter. The we have either a C or a G and EN finishing the left side. Decentius has one fewer letter than does Magnentius and counting the letters makes this lack that extra bump or N after the C while Decentius has the correct bump count. The right side legend is pretty clearly TIVSAVGV which could be either unless you are not willing to accept a coin of Decentius as Augustus. The reverse shows a garble save the clear PARATIO on the right and one S in exergue. I'll blame this coin on Siscia or the second shop at Trier (TRS) or some other mint that has an S in the game. The Magnentius FH coin known is from Arles PARL with FH2 --- not even close to this coin. This is obviously barbarous but it might sell for more if I claim it is an issue of "Paul the Chain", Martinus or Silvanus one of whom might have supported Decentius as Augustus. Hey, it works for people selling Aureolus coins. :angelic: [ATTACH=full]1431119[/ATTACH] Finally is a low point of my collecting activity. Many years ago, I pulled the coin below from a junk box because I thought I could make it into a piece of jewelry for my wife. The coin was substantially one sided but had a clear Christian symbol that would make a necklace she might like. Rather than drilling a hole, I enclosed it in a rim mount intended to accept a US quarter. My wife wore it to a dinner at Victor Failmezger's place where we met his out of town friend who specialized in late Roman. (I did not at the time but was doing photos for Victor's book.) He pointed out that the coin seemed to be something that does not exist - a Chi Rho AE2 of Siscia. We really do not know if this was intended to be of Magnentius but the reverse sort-of refers to a Caesar so we assume this was issued for one of the brothers by someone who did not know that Siscia was not an option. I would really feel bad if I made jewelry out of the only known official coin of its type and mint. It is bad enough with a coin as barbarous as it is. If you want it, talk to my wife. She still wears it on appropriate occasions. SALVS DD NN AVG AESC? (?)SIS [ATTACH=full]1431150[/ATTACH] Yes, that is how I met Valentinian.[/QUOTE]
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