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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1725578, member: 19463"]For the record, I fail to see evidence that the OP coin is a cast. Certainly it is a fake but the style strikes me as out of the spirit of the period suggesting that the item was made from original, modern artwork. That could be fake dies or a cast from a master that was no more ancient than the children it produced. It is not all that unusual for fakes of this general quality to be available in a variety of metals. You might find the same thing in tin and gold. When you are in the business of making fakes, there is no reason not to produce what your customers desire. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also for the record, this coin is a perfect example of why we always tell people new to the hobby to buy only from sellers both honest and knowledgeable. Your Pawn shop dealer may be one or the other but no one beyond an elementary level of study could possibly believe the item shown is a $2000 coin. I find it distressing that there are enough people with $2000 to throw away that a seller can make a living feeding their demand to be cheated. If this coin walked into a knowledgeable and honest pawn shop, the owner would have to make some effort to, as they do on TV, call in an 'expert'. Even our relatively new to the business experts smelled this one. I have no idea whether your seller is lacking in knowledge or in scruples but it makes no real difference. When you are paying full retail, you deserve full service. When you are paying 10% of full retail, you deserve honesty at least. Buy your coins elsewhere.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1725578, member: 19463"]For the record, I fail to see evidence that the OP coin is a cast. Certainly it is a fake but the style strikes me as out of the spirit of the period suggesting that the item was made from original, modern artwork. That could be fake dies or a cast from a master that was no more ancient than the children it produced. It is not all that unusual for fakes of this general quality to be available in a variety of metals. You might find the same thing in tin and gold. When you are in the business of making fakes, there is no reason not to produce what your customers desire. Also for the record, this coin is a perfect example of why we always tell people new to the hobby to buy only from sellers both honest and knowledgeable. Your Pawn shop dealer may be one or the other but no one beyond an elementary level of study could possibly believe the item shown is a $2000 coin. I find it distressing that there are enough people with $2000 to throw away that a seller can make a living feeding their demand to be cheated. If this coin walked into a knowledgeable and honest pawn shop, the owner would have to make some effort to, as they do on TV, call in an 'expert'. Even our relatively new to the business experts smelled this one. I have no idea whether your seller is lacking in knowledge or in scruples but it makes no real difference. When you are paying full retail, you deserve full service. When you are paying 10% of full retail, you deserve honesty at least. Buy your coins elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
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