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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 7787906, member: 110350"]If a coin is returned to the dealer because customs won't admit it, any reputable dealer will refund the money to the buyer. There's no "theft." Ending up in a warehouse happens with stolen artifacts with no provenance, unless and until the relevant country's government demands their return. It doesn't happen with coins bought at mainstream European auctions. Specifically with respect to Italy, coins don't leave that country legally anymore for the USA in the first place without an export permit. That's been true for years, even though you don't seem to be aware of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>You've been setting up and knocking down a lot of straw men in this thread. And don't forget that if coins and antiquities are confiscated by U.S. Customs because they're deemed the cultural heritage of other countries, those countries aren't imposing anything unilaterally on the U.S. It's all pursuant to bilateral and multilateral treaties and MOUs to which we agreed.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, you're being really dismissive and disingenuous referring to "$10 arrowheads." There have been at least a couple of very controversial auctions of Native American artifacts in Paris in the last decade with total sales exceeding $1 million each. And the most expensive arrowhead ever sold brought an auction price of $276,000. Not $10. Not that it's just about dollar value anyway. I wish you'd do some research before saying some of the things you do, like there supposedly being no such thing as cultural heritage laws in the USA. You don't get to decide that Native American artifacts don't count.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 7787906, member: 110350"]If a coin is returned to the dealer because customs won't admit it, any reputable dealer will refund the money to the buyer. There's no "theft." Ending up in a warehouse happens with stolen artifacts with no provenance, unless and until the relevant country's government demands their return. It doesn't happen with coins bought at mainstream European auctions. Specifically with respect to Italy, coins don't leave that country legally anymore for the USA in the first place without an export permit. That's been true for years, even though you don't seem to be aware of it. You've been setting up and knocking down a lot of straw men in this thread. And don't forget that if coins and antiquities are confiscated by U.S. Customs because they're deemed the cultural heritage of other countries, those countries aren't imposing anything unilaterally on the U.S. It's all pursuant to bilateral and multilateral treaties and MOUs to which we agreed. Also, you're being really dismissive and disingenuous referring to "$10 arrowheads." There have been at least a couple of very controversial auctions of Native American artifacts in Paris in the last decade with total sales exceeding $1 million each. And the most expensive arrowhead ever sold brought an auction price of $276,000. Not $10. Not that it's just about dollar value anyway. I wish you'd do some research before saying some of the things you do, like there supposedly being no such thing as cultural heritage laws in the USA. You don't get to decide that Native American artifacts don't count.[/QUOTE]
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