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<p>[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 4006837, member: 51347"]<a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples" rel="nofollow">https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples</a></p><p><br /></p><p>First paragraph of the article:</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="6"><b>Rise and fall of Roman Empire exposed in Greenland ice samples</b></font></p><p><br /></p><p>By <a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/author/katie-langin" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.sciencemag.org/author/katie-langin" rel="nofollow">Katie Langin</a>May. 14, 2018 , 3:00 PM</p><p><br /></p><p>Modern people aren’t the only ones who’ve polluted the atmosphere. Two thousand years ago, the Romans smelted precious ores in clay furnaces, extracting silver and belching lead into the sky. Some of that lead settled on Greenland’s ice cap and mixed in with ever-accumulating layers of ice. Now, scientists studying annual deposits of those ice layers have found that spikes and dips in lead pollution during the Roman era mirror the timing of many historical events, including wars fought by Julius Caesar.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples" rel="nofollow">https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>RECYCLED WAR COIN</b></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1054774[/ATTACH]</p><p>Carthage LIBYAN UPRISING Mercenary War 241-238 BCE 7.36g AR DiShekel Herakles Head in Lion's Head- Lion walking R SNG Cop 240f</p><p><br /></p><p><b>[USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] NAILED this for me... even suggesting in the end that the Overstruck coin was an OVERSTRIKE also! Recycling / Repurposing at its best!</b></p><p><br /></p><p>"<span style="color: #000066">I just stumbled upon the correct coin!! I'm sure this is the undertype <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. The "E" is a Punic M. From <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cngcoins.com%2FCoin.aspx%3FCoinID%3D255888&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a56cff099ff418e469a08d6f0e39d4d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636961257719062747&sdata=Fr4SMolc8SSSlNQgl4%2BuqDhs3K%2BFnjvMtdg%2FMqckVec%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cngcoins.com%2FCoin.aspx%3FCoinID%3D255888&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a56cff099ff418e469a08d6f0e39d4d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636961257719062747&sdata=Fr4SMolc8SSSlNQgl4%2BuqDhs3K%2BFnjvMtdg%2FMqckVec%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow">CNG's archives</a>:</span></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><br /></span></p><p><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cngcoins.com%2FCoin.aspx%3FCoinID%3D255888%23&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a56cff099ff418e469a08d6f0e39d4d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636961257719072746&sdata=%2FtkmGZrI%2F%2FnRbD8dQM9%2BC2CzoGkgv3QTOd8XA3m0bnQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cngcoins.com%2FCoin.aspx%3FCoinID%3D255888%23&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a56cff099ff418e469a08d6f0e39d4d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636961257719072746&sdata=%2FtkmGZrI%2F%2FnRbD8dQM9%2BC2CzoGkgv3QTOd8XA3m0bnQ%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: #000066"><img src="https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fthreads%2Foverstrike-detective-work.335938%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cngcoins.com%252Fphotos%252Fenlarged%252F96000018.jpg%26hash%3D8029f9ebf467dbcb2e4bc0ecb1a74a33&t=1579453874&ymreqid=ec7371a8-151b-aeb4-1ce4-3e0055015400&sig=fOb2oRyumdAFcn_oAubF1w--~C" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></span></a></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><b>CNG 96, Lot: 18.</b> Estimate $500.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000066">Sold for $850. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><img src="https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-Mn57fvrVxxpd-gEO_b8KVLz1-xBvA_f3Wo91oA7Pw1Mdua-qeX4N_2Uz4PhuztyW6F676llwJijNHGM9Rx73ng/messages/@.id==ABVL3-pq-qGOXZ-Erge8eJqcEks/content/parts/@.id==2/raw?appid=YMailNorrin&ymreqid=ec7371a8-151b-aeb4-1ce4-3e0055015400&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBbYSVv1doX30k4rYlaqIK23JLeEfVEFgl17l_eZaHFgQcRX5D8GnAZJ9ve50LM8L_QGYHG5zZROOYeWZBW-NzAx" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><b>CARTHAGE, Libyan Revolt. </b>Circa 241-238 BC. AR Shekel (21mm, 7.45 g, 1h). Wreathed head of Tanit left / Horse standing right; three pellets and M (in Punic) below. Carradice & La Niece pl. 9, 40 var. (control marks); MAA 50b; SNG Copenhagen 236 var. (same). Good VF, lightly toned, overstruck on uncertain type. Rare</span></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><img src="https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fattachments%2Fct-alegandron-libyanrevoltshekel-overstrike-definite-jpg.914458%2F&t=1579453874&ymreqid=ec7371a8-151b-aeb4-1ce4-3e0055015400&sig=lIOT7VhFAnPBB1uwx3XAjA--~C" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000066">The wheat grains are partly off flan on the example host coin but I think in total it is enough to declare it a definite match for the undertype <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000066"><b>Interestingly, it looks like the example undertype was itself an overstrike. I wonder if your coin is an overstrike of an overstrike? If so, wouldn't it be awesome to identify the original coin?" </b><i>[USER=56859]@TIF[/USER]'s comments.</i></span></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Looks like the Carthage Mercenries were WAY ahead of Carausius, overstriking coins (cuz they HAD to), <i>550 YEARS before</i> that Emperor!</b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 4006837, member: 51347"][URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples[/URL] First paragraph of the article: [SIZE=6][B]Rise and fall of Roman Empire exposed in Greenland ice samples[/B][/SIZE] By [URL='https://www.sciencemag.org/author/katie-langin']Katie Langin[/URL]May. 14, 2018 , 3:00 PM Modern people aren’t the only ones who’ve polluted the atmosphere. Two thousand years ago, the Romans smelted precious ores in clay furnaces, extracting silver and belching lead into the sky. Some of that lead settled on Greenland’s ice cap and mixed in with ever-accumulating layers of ice. Now, scientists studying annual deposits of those ice layers have found that spikes and dips in lead pollution during the Roman era mirror the timing of many historical events, including wars fought by Julius Caesar. [URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/rise-and-fall-roman-empire-exposed-greenland-ice-samples[/URL] [B]RECYCLED WAR COIN[/B] [ATTACH=full]1054774[/ATTACH] Carthage LIBYAN UPRISING Mercenary War 241-238 BCE 7.36g AR DiShekel Herakles Head in Lion's Head- Lion walking R SNG Cop 240f [B][USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] NAILED this for me... even suggesting in the end that the Overstruck coin was an OVERSTRIKE also! Recycling / Repurposing at its best![/B] "[COLOR=#000066]I just stumbled upon the correct coin!! I'm sure this is the undertype :). The "E" is a Punic M. From [URL='https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cngcoins.com%2FCoin.aspx%3FCoinID%3D255888&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a56cff099ff418e469a08d6f0e39d4d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636961257719062747&sdata=Fr4SMolc8SSSlNQgl4%2BuqDhs3K%2BFnjvMtdg%2FMqckVec%3D&reserved=0']CNG's archives[/URL]: [/COLOR] [URL='https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cngcoins.com%2FCoin.aspx%3FCoinID%3D255888%23&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a56cff099ff418e469a08d6f0e39d4d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636961257719072746&sdata=%2FtkmGZrI%2F%2FnRbD8dQM9%2BC2CzoGkgv3QTOd8XA3m0bnQ%3D&reserved=0'][COLOR=#000066][IMG]https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fthreads%2Foverstrike-detective-work.335938%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cngcoins.com%252Fphotos%252Fenlarged%252F96000018.jpg%26hash%3D8029f9ebf467dbcb2e4bc0ecb1a74a33&t=1579453874&ymreqid=ec7371a8-151b-aeb4-1ce4-3e0055015400&sig=fOb2oRyumdAFcn_oAubF1w--~C[/IMG][/COLOR][/URL] [COLOR=#000066][B]CNG 96, Lot: 18.[/B] Estimate $500. Sold for $850. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [IMG]https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-Mn57fvrVxxpd-gEO_b8KVLz1-xBvA_f3Wo91oA7Pw1Mdua-qeX4N_2Uz4PhuztyW6F676llwJijNHGM9Rx73ng/messages/@.id==ABVL3-pq-qGOXZ-Erge8eJqcEks/content/parts/@.id==2/raw?appid=YMailNorrin&ymreqid=ec7371a8-151b-aeb4-1ce4-3e0055015400&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBbYSVv1doX30k4rYlaqIK23JLeEfVEFgl17l_eZaHFgQcRX5D8GnAZJ9ve50LM8L_QGYHG5zZROOYeWZBW-NzAx[/IMG] [B]CARTHAGE, Libyan Revolt. [/B]Circa 241-238 BC. AR Shekel (21mm, 7.45 g, 1h). Wreathed head of Tanit left / Horse standing right; three pellets and M (in Punic) below. Carradice & La Niece pl. 9, 40 var. (control marks); MAA 50b; SNG Copenhagen 236 var. (same). Good VF, lightly toned, overstruck on uncertain type. Rare [IMG]https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fattachments%2Fct-alegandron-libyanrevoltshekel-overstrike-definite-jpg.914458%2F&t=1579453874&ymreqid=ec7371a8-151b-aeb4-1ce4-3e0055015400&sig=lIOT7VhFAnPBB1uwx3XAjA--~C[/IMG] The wheat grains are partly off flan on the example host coin but I think in total it is enough to declare it a definite match for the undertype :). [B]Interestingly, it looks like the example undertype was itself an overstrike. I wonder if your coin is an overstrike of an overstrike? If so, wouldn't it be awesome to identify the original coin?" [/B][I][USER=56859]@TIF[/USER]'s comments.[/I][/COLOR] [B] Looks like the Carthage Mercenries were WAY ahead of Carausius, overstriking coins (cuz they HAD to), [I]550 YEARS before[/I] that Emperor![/B][/QUOTE]
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