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<p>[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 5456790, member: 102103"]The tones definitely distinguish one word from another, but the part of speech is more determined by word order than tone. Chinese has many dialects. Some have a few tones (Mandarin has 4 or 5, depending on how you count). Cantonese has about twice as many. I've heard Guilin has a relatively flat dialect with fewer tonal variations. All use the same grammar though. I don't think it's related to the degree of inflection really.</p><p><br /></p><p>You know how in English, some tenses are designated by helper words ("I go" to "I will go") for future tense and others by conjugation ("I go" to "I went") for past tense? in Chinese, it's almost all helper words and no conjugation. So 去 qu (go) becomes 去了 (went) or 在去 (am going) 要去 (will go). You just add one more character to indicate the tense. Even if everyone pronounces those characters differently, you can still understand that they mean the same ideas. Except for a few word choice differences, you can't even really tell what dialect something was written in just by the characters.</p><p><br /></p><p>When a heavily inflected language like Japanese uses Chinese characters, they had to make a lot of adjustments to make it work. They ditch (most of) the helper words and invented a whole new phonetic alphabet made of simplified cursive characters to indicate the conjugation sounds. So for "taberu" 食べる (to eat), the first Chinese style character tells you the meaning and the next one or two tell you the sound of the conjugation (present tense). You can change the phonetic characters to change to 食べない (not eat) 食べた (ate) 食べたい (want to eat) etc. But the root character stays the same. Japanese is also not very tonal, but I think that's just a coincidence.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 5456790, member: 102103"]The tones definitely distinguish one word from another, but the part of speech is more determined by word order than tone. Chinese has many dialects. Some have a few tones (Mandarin has 4 or 5, depending on how you count). Cantonese has about twice as many. I've heard Guilin has a relatively flat dialect with fewer tonal variations. All use the same grammar though. I don't think it's related to the degree of inflection really. You know how in English, some tenses are designated by helper words ("I go" to "I will go") for future tense and others by conjugation ("I go" to "I went") for past tense? in Chinese, it's almost all helper words and no conjugation. So 去 qu (go) becomes 去了 (went) or 在去 (am going) 要去 (will go). You just add one more character to indicate the tense. Even if everyone pronounces those characters differently, you can still understand that they mean the same ideas. Except for a few word choice differences, you can't even really tell what dialect something was written in just by the characters. When a heavily inflected language like Japanese uses Chinese characters, they had to make a lot of adjustments to make it work. They ditch (most of) the helper words and invented a whole new phonetic alphabet made of simplified cursive characters to indicate the conjugation sounds. So for "taberu" 食べる (to eat), the first Chinese style character tells you the meaning and the next one or two tell you the sound of the conjugation (present tense). You can change the phonetic characters to change to 食べない (not eat) 食べた (ate) 食べたい (want to eat) etc. But the root character stays the same. Japanese is also not very tonal, but I think that's just a coincidence.[/QUOTE]
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