ANCIENT - Carausius Antoninianus

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Windchild, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    My First Purchase Yesterday!

    Carausius was a Gallo-British usurper for 13 years from 280-293 AD.


    Carausius AE Antoninianus.
    London :D
    Radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right
    F-O across fields. (I believe)
    Mintmark ML. (I believe)
    Diameter: 24mm (dies made for 22mm)

    Then Either:

    Pax standing left, holding branch and sceptre.
    287-293 AD.
    RIC V-2, London 98; cf Sear 3562.


    Pax standing left, holding branch & transverse sceptre
    289-290 AD.
    RIC 121v

    My first Carausius, Antoninianus and Usurper!
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Love it. Carausius coins are not easy to come by, especially with decent reverses. Your coin has a nice reverse.
  4. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    It's a lot better in hand...

    This is just a scan...

    I'll take pictures soon..
  5. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    I can't see these photos like the other post you made. Sometimes my browser has difficulty displaying Photobucket uploads lately because of the new format they're using.
  6. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I uploaded it to CoinTalk itself...


    I may have fixed it now.
  7. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    I can see the coin now.
  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian Supporter

    That's a mature choice for a YN - a coin that has far more historical importance than eye-appeal, (although I do like the look of the piece). I was recently educated by Doug on the significance of the issues of Carausius, issues that could be considered altogether barbarous on account of the fact that he was never recognized as Augustus outside of Britain.
  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Need him myself, congrats.
  10. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    It's a lot worse due to the scan, but I bought it due to the History (I love history... which is the main reason I collect Ancient Coins!)

    Except for a small area in Gaul, according to the dealer I bought it from, where he was recognized as Augustus.
  11. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Indeed, Rotomagus on the continent and Londinium are his only two confirmed mints. The 'C' mint is probably Camolodunum, but there is still some debate. You have yourself an enviable coin there. I would love to collect and study this series. I've decided that there are collectors and detectorists in Britain who are much better placed than I to make new discoveries and develop new theories on his coinage, so I pass and stick to my lead.

    Btw, a transverse scepter is held diagonally. That should answer your attribution question, but I again advise you to refer to Helvetica's spreadsheets rather than only Wildwinds.
  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian Supporter

    I'll add a coin of mine to this thread, only because Constantius Chlorus was sent to dispatch Carausius. He never got the chance, as Caruasius's own treasurer assassinated him.


    Incidentally, I've read about the Frome hoard - do you know if your coin came from it?
  13. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I believe the entire Frome hoard is in a museum...

    And I don't know the provenance of my coin besides:

    An English find

    That makes sense :D

    I'll edit the above ;)

    I noted that Helvetica's spreadsheets didn't have the F-O combination, so I went to Wildwinds :D
  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian Supporter

    You know what I find curiously odd about Carausius issues is just how barbarous they can look. The London issues of Maximian adhere strictly to high Roman minting standards, but when Carausius takes over, the devices become amateurish, struck off-center on sloppy flans. Why is that? Does it reflect a disapproval of the usurper on the part of the mints? Or were they instructed to veer away from traditional aesthetics? Or were the prior minters fired and replaced with lesser talent?
  15. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    To my knowledge, the Issues of Maximian were stuck later, as the London Mint only opened up after London separated in 286 AD.
  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian Supporter

    That would explain it then. Once the London mint comes under official Roman authority, they're required to live up to Roman standards.
  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    This is my sole Carausius coin, highlighted by the extended neck:

    Carausius Antoninianus
    OBV: IMP C CARAVSIVS PF I AVG, draped, cuirassed, and radiate bust r
    REV: PAX AVG, Pax stg. l. holding olive branch & vertical scepter, S P in l. & r. fields
    Struck at Camulodunum, 390-393
    3.58 grams; 23.8 mm
    RIC 482
    CARAUSIUS1_OBV_opt.jpg CARAUSIUS1_REV_opt.jpg
  18. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian Supporter

    How do you discern the mint on that coin, Bing? I don't see a mark.
  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    RIC suggests that the really bad coins of Carausius were from the first part of the reign with improvement coming later (perhaps 290?) when the AVGGG series is found along with most of the C mint coins. For purpose of study, we probably should not ignore ugly coins since they may be all there is of their types. I have a few that are pretty rugged but I'm keeping them in the hope of learning more about the series someday. I would hope the Frome hoard will lead to enlightenment. Since so much of what we now know about Carausius has come from coins, that would seem a reasonable expectation given time.
  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Because there is no mintmark. With this legend, the field marks(S -P) and no mintmark, from what I know and can tell, it has to be Camulodunum. Take a look on Helvitica's lists
  21. Bart9349

    Bart9349 Junior Member

    Romano-British history at its best. Here's mine:

    Carausiuso.jpg Carausiusra.jpg

    This one isn't mine, but....


    I love the AVGGG on the reverse of these two coins (representing three Augustii). It reflects Carausius's futile attempt to join the recognized two augustii already in power.

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