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<p>[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 2601040, member: 73165"]We call those "varieties" around here. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Get with the program! (j/k)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I hate to revive this aspect of it, but one thing everyone has missed is that (IIRC, I can't find my book at the moment), PCGS standards say that a 70 is (paraphrasing) "as struck, <i>with full strike</i>". That would clearly mean that a flawed die <i>could</i> be capable of striking a 70, but that not every coin struck by a pristine, brand new die would be a 70, either.</p><p><br /></p><p>Under this interpretation, it's no surprise that out of the billions of US coins struck over the years, some of which have been specially handled at the mint (proofs and NCLT), that a relative few got a full strike and remained as struck by the time we collectors got our grubby paws on them.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That's another point to remember, especially when looking at images. Many of the coin images you see on here or other sites are the equivalent of <i>vastly</i> more than 5x magnification.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>We already have half grades, with the + designation. I think those are kind of pointless, too. When we get to a point where coins can be cracked out, resubmitted to the same service, and come back with the same grade 10/10 times, then I'll be all for decimal or + grades.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is, of course, more of a problem with MS coins than circulated coins, but I'm sure we've all seen a coin that really, truly falls in between, say, AU55 and 58.</p><p><br /></p><p>With MS coins, I'm sure what a lot of people are doing is calibrating "this is what MS63 looks like," vs "this is what MS65 looks like," vs "this is what MS67 looks like," and interpolating the rest.</p><p><br /></p><p>And there, finally, is the real problem with the 70 grade: it's completely binary. And, it's not a technical issue. Make your definition, apply it to every coin that comes in, consistently, and, eventually some will make the 70 grade. The problem is the inconsistency of humans as I mentioned previously. And, <i>that</i> is why we have this argument. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 2601040, member: 73165"]We call those "varieties" around here. :p Get with the program! (j/k) I hate to revive this aspect of it, but one thing everyone has missed is that (IIRC, I can't find my book at the moment), PCGS standards say that a 70 is (paraphrasing) "as struck, [I]with full strike[/I]". That would clearly mean that a flawed die [I]could[/I] be capable of striking a 70, but that not every coin struck by a pristine, brand new die would be a 70, either. Under this interpretation, it's no surprise that out of the billions of US coins struck over the years, some of which have been specially handled at the mint (proofs and NCLT), that a relative few got a full strike and remained as struck by the time we collectors got our grubby paws on them. That's another point to remember, especially when looking at images. Many of the coin images you see on here or other sites are the equivalent of [I]vastly[/I] more than 5x magnification. We already have half grades, with the + designation. I think those are kind of pointless, too. When we get to a point where coins can be cracked out, resubmitted to the same service, and come back with the same grade 10/10 times, then I'll be all for decimal or + grades. This is, of course, more of a problem with MS coins than circulated coins, but I'm sure we've all seen a coin that really, truly falls in between, say, AU55 and 58. With MS coins, I'm sure what a lot of people are doing is calibrating "this is what MS63 looks like," vs "this is what MS65 looks like," vs "this is what MS67 looks like," and interpolating the rest. And there, finally, is the real problem with the 70 grade: it's completely binary. And, it's not a technical issue. Make your definition, apply it to every coin that comes in, consistently, and, eventually some will make the 70 grade. The problem is the inconsistency of humans as I mentioned previously. And, [I]that[/I] is why we have this argument. :)[/QUOTE]
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