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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2599151, member: 24314&quot;]<span style="color: #0059b3">I think what you have posted above can be said in a clearer way so no one can disagree. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">Let me enlighten you. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I should have said let&#039;s get into the &quot;Way Back&quot; machine and examine your quote based on actual numismatic history. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3"><br /></span></p><p>&quot;MS(PF)-70 coins did not exist... until the TPGs started to slab them.&quot;&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><span style="color: #0059b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">Actually, perfect coins (PR/MS-70) have existed for longer than even [USER=112]@GDJMSP[/USER] has been alive.&nbsp; They really became abundant when late 20th Century coin production came about.&nbsp; However, <span style="color: #b300b3">you are correct <span style="color: #0059b3">in one twisted way...Since </span><span style="color: #00b300"><b>THERE WAS NO GRADE OF PR/MS-70...</b></span><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <span style="color: #0059b3">These coins were not recognized.&nbsp; When I was a novice, the highest grade was PR/MS-65 so many of the perfect coins (70&#039;s) plus all the 68, 67, and 66&#039;s (that existed for years before I was born) were lumped in with the MS-65&#039;s because they did not exist either. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; </span></span></span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;Now they do.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">Bingo!&nbsp; <span style="color: #b300b3">You are correct again</span>, now they do. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span> <span style="color: #0059b3">As best I can remember, in the late 1990&#039;s (?) one of the grading services graded something (Barber quarter?) MS-69 and the flood gates opened.&nbsp; I listened to one of the owners of a top two TPGS say there was no such thing as a PR/MS-70 coin and we won&#039;t ever grade a coin 70.&nbsp; Today, I&#039;ll bet there are well over 400,000 70&#039;s in that company&#039;s slabs.&nbsp; </span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;Those are facts and not subject to argument.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">There is nothing to argue.&nbsp; A person is either informed, confused, ignorant, or a combination of the last two.&nbsp; The only &quot;fact&quot; is this:&nbsp; While PERFECT coins have existed for decades it took pressure from the commercial coin market to recognize those coins with a grade of 70!</span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;The argument is... are the TPGs right?&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">Ditto the first two sentences above.&nbsp; Very often the TPG&#039;s are correct.&nbsp; BTW, as I posted before.&nbsp; The TPGS often have a little wiggle room as to what makes a PR/MS-70.&nbsp; The actual <span style="color: #b30000">PERFECT CONDITION OF PRESERVATION</span> of a coin has no wiggle room.&nbsp; The coin is either perfect or not.&nbsp; The grader&#039;s opinion is the only thing subject to argument.&nbsp; Make sense?</span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">Hopefully, by the end of this thread, we&#039;ll all agree that perfect coins do exist.</span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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