ANACS RP/PRooF 70... But Not?

I have learned. Some people just want to argue. Has nothing to do with the topic of this post. I have provided everything he asked, thinking maybe I was only seeing one side of the point I was trying to make, trying to be open minded. I even spent hour's trying to take the best pitchers I could, full well knowing he could find something. What did I get? "It is an exercise in "what if" using only highly reflective images of coins that do not blow-up sharply enough to examine." But when asked for his wisdom on how? show me. "my camera will not take full photos but if you PM me as a reminder I'll have one taken" or
"there are 3-4 tiny hits on the cap and breast of your coin, it is a 68."
And
"and I'll guarantee I can probably find "TPGS/Market acceptable" defects on some of your other coins"
This is mocking not wisdom

 

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Again, Thanks.

Mike:

Please correct the above, I heard that Doug saw the start to shine.

 

+1

 

Roll with it and learn.

 

Rising to the bait usually means you end up with a hook in your mouth.

 

It's not nice to hurt an old man's feelings. I wish I had a nice camera like yours but I don't . I also posted that I would take some by breaking up the coin into parts so here are my PITCHERS:

This coin (Img#6026-34) resides in an ICG MS-70 slab. The coin is PERFECT on both sides. No hairlines, no hits, no mint-made struck thrus or luster breaks. I only imaged one side as the other is also perfect. The two magnified images were taken at 15X (far above any TPGS standards). Since this would take too long, the rest were made at 10X.

There are two photos of other coins graded by ICG. On one (Img#6035) there was a microscopic pit in the die causing a raised pimple over the letters and there is a tiny silver-colored struck thru on the flag. This image is at 15X. This coin is also in an ICG 70 slab as I GUESS these two "defects" were deemed to be market acceptable. Note, the coin above had NO DEFECTS of any kind.

The final image (Img#6036) is a Proof graded 69 by ICG. This image is at 20X. It has a mint-made "long" dash (detracting planchet flaw) in the field along with a tiny patch of hairlines. The rest of the coin is virtually "perfect" with only a few "worn die proof spikes" in the field. The tiny white specks are dust on the slab case.

So, Perfect coins exist and are graded 70. All 70's are not perfect but are considered market acceptable. Collectors need to decide what level of perfection they wish. CASE CLOSED!

Except: @Themadhouse7 I feel it is your turn to walk-the-walk. Let's see magnified images of the breast and cap on your coin. They are either marks or not. Hopefully, I'll just be "seeing things" and your 70 will not be a 68!

EDIT: Just saw your last post. This whole thing is not about US, it is about the coins. If your 70 slab contains a coin with several noticeable hits (That's what I see.) it is over graded. Then you'll need to be even more careful about the coins you purchase. If the coin is not hit where I see marks, THEN I LEARN about "phantoms" of photography. Whatever the case, WE BOTH ARE WINNERS! Others on this thread may learn something also.

@GDJMSP

I Xeroxed this: "And if you could ever manage to drop the "wise guy" attitude, well, that would do the rest for you." and pasted it on my home computer...The wife loves it! I'm not in the doghouse and saved a dinner tab.

 

You guys that demand 70 coins.... what do you demand of your wives?

 

Perfection is boring and frictionless and entirely unsubstantive of a rewarding personal relationship.

 

Shush...I'll take a "Stepford Wife" or six any time!

 

This thread needs a distraction. I wonder if any of Carr's pieces would grade as 70s if gradeable and not PMD...

 

lol. ANACS has actually graded some as 70s.

 

Not funny. ANACS is correct, plenty of Carr's pieces and Gallery Mint stuff grades 70. Now we are back to "perfect" or "market acceptable perfect." I've seen PERFECT (read my comments in this thread) Carr "coins."

 

I was laughing at his sarcasm. It actually is a bit of an interesting discussion when they give one of the overstrikes a 70 considering they have some form of ghosting but I have always agreed that 70 is nothing more than a grade not absolute perfection in the literal sense of the word. And also agree that he is capable of putting out some top notch quality

 

"the skin is not broken"? What does that mean? I say it's many people's favorite term - PMD. I'd like to see another photo of the 2011 ASE that does not show the marks on the A and the O on the reverse.

 

I meant my originally post largely as a joke to lighten the mood in this thread. With that said, Carr's contention is that he is not coining his own money but is merely altering existing coinage. As such, how can an altered coin ever grade PF/MS70? It is no where close to as the piece left the Mint (the real, governmentally sanctioned one).

 

I'm glad you caught the joke. Somehow I think that part was lost on some others.

 

Really the only conclusion you can come to is that they are grading the final product as struck by him. If that isn't proof that 70 is just another grade on the grading scale I don't know what is. That said I haven't seen a lot of 70s so maybe they do disqualify them when the host coin is too prevalent. I'd love to know how they view that impacting the grade

 

This is a discussion of the seventy grade and "perfection." Where a piece was made, who made it, and what it is (token, medal, U.S. issue, and even counterfeits) does not enter into its condition of preservation (grade). It can be judged either actually perfect as it left the die with no defects of any kind or market acceptable "perfect" and graded 70.

I have seen struck counterfeit gold dollars that were market acceptable 70's! Many other counterfeits would be downgraded to MS-69 due to their strike.

 

Does anyone here know how many coins a grader at a TPG (PCGS, NGC) typically grades in a given time period? I wonder how long they usually spend looking at any individual coin especially when handed a monster box of 500 ASEs to grade.