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<p>[QUOTE="superc, post: 1831344, member: 44079"]The Federal Court rulings on counterfeit coins and the confiscation of contraband are very well established in US history. If you own contraband, and the government learns of it, they (government) have both a right and a duty to confiscate it. Failing to do so undermines the value of the realm's coin. This concept is so old it dates back to the days of Caesar and the feudal kings and emperors that followed. </p><p><br /></p><p>Prior (old) US Federal court rulings have opined the presence of 3 or more counterfeit coins in one person's hands is sufficient 'Reasonable Grounds' for an arrest to occur with the charge being counterfeiting.</p><p><br /></p><p>That being said, practical realities enter the picture. Both the number of Secret Service Agents with nothing better to do, and the number of court cases & prosecutor time involving Counterfeiting cases authorized for each year as set by the Attorney General is low. </p><p><br /></p><p>What this means to you is you run an Ebay ad selling a single counterfeit dime at a low cost, say $1, the SS Agent or office to whose attention this is brought has to weigh the severity of this against the guy they know of who is making hundreds of color copies of $100 dollar bills and passing them at the 7-11. Not only does the counterfeit $100 bill case look easier to prosecute (intent, identification of his color scanner printer, closed circuit camera images from the store security camera of him buying a pack of gum with the fake bills, etc.), not only is it more attractive as a case ('cause remember the Agency has to interest the prosecutor in taking the case and a judge signing the warrants), not only is the $100 bill case causing greater economic harm to the community at large, but the agent is probably also thinking how this will look on his performance appraisal when the boss reviews how he did this past fiscal quarter. The long and short is you will probably go the end of a Round Tuit list with just one or two computer database entries made into Epic's and other Treasury Dept. computers. Not even an NCIC entry yet.</p><p><br /></p><p>Develop a history of selling counterfeit coins, this will probably change. Have 10 or 20 coins of that type start popping up around the country, yeah, an Agent will probably visit you, maybe even do a search (counterfeit currency according to various Federal court rulings comes under the exigent circumstances exception) to see if you have any more, and also try to find out who you got them from. </p><p><br /></p><p>Even museums have had counterfeit coins (or unauthorized currency, i.e., Liberty coins) suddenly seized by the Secret Service. Counterfeit US coins and currency are always subject to confiscation. That is the reality. Check US Postal regulations. I seem to recall a prohibition against the mailing of contraband or dangerous items. LoL.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="superc, post: 1831344, member: 44079"]The Federal Court rulings on counterfeit coins and the confiscation of contraband are very well established in US history. If you own contraband, and the government learns of it, they (government) have both a right and a duty to confiscate it. Failing to do so undermines the value of the realm's coin. This concept is so old it dates back to the days of Caesar and the feudal kings and emperors that followed. Prior (old) US Federal court rulings have opined the presence of 3 or more counterfeit coins in one person's hands is sufficient 'Reasonable Grounds' for an arrest to occur with the charge being counterfeiting. That being said, practical realities enter the picture. Both the number of Secret Service Agents with nothing better to do, and the number of court cases & prosecutor time involving Counterfeiting cases authorized for each year as set by the Attorney General is low. What this means to you is you run an Ebay ad selling a single counterfeit dime at a low cost, say $1, the SS Agent or office to whose attention this is brought has to weigh the severity of this against the guy they know of who is making hundreds of color copies of $100 dollar bills and passing them at the 7-11. Not only does the counterfeit $100 bill case look easier to prosecute (intent, identification of his color scanner printer, closed circuit camera images from the store security camera of him buying a pack of gum with the fake bills, etc.), not only is it more attractive as a case ('cause remember the Agency has to interest the prosecutor in taking the case and a judge signing the warrants), not only is the $100 bill case causing greater economic harm to the community at large, but the agent is probably also thinking how this will look on his performance appraisal when the boss reviews how he did this past fiscal quarter. The long and short is you will probably go the end of a Round Tuit list with just one or two computer database entries made into Epic's and other Treasury Dept. computers. Not even an NCIC entry yet. Develop a history of selling counterfeit coins, this will probably change. Have 10 or 20 coins of that type start popping up around the country, yeah, an Agent will probably visit you, maybe even do a search (counterfeit currency according to various Federal court rulings comes under the exigent circumstances exception) to see if you have any more, and also try to find out who you got them from. Even museums have had counterfeit coins (or unauthorized currency, i.e., Liberty coins) suddenly seized by the Secret Service. Counterfeit US coins and currency are always subject to confiscation. That is the reality. Check US Postal regulations. I seem to recall a prohibition against the mailing of contraband or dangerous items. LoL.[/QUOTE]
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