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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1834661, member: 112"]Barfly - </p><p><br /></p><p>If you go back to your original post that started this thread, you state flat out that your intention is to sell these coins. Then you go on your rant - your word, not mine, about what a ripoff coin dealers are after you tried repeatedly to sell these coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>So two things. </p><p><br /></p><p>1 - the forum has very specific rules, clearly stated that forbid members posting coins for sale anywhere except in the Advertising sections, and we allow you to do that for free. But we only allow you to do it there. </p><p><br /></p><p>So now here we are 5 pages later in the thread and post the entire list of your coins along with your grades, and your prices. It doesn't matter that you claimed they are not for sale because you have already said very plainly that they are for sale and that you are actively trying to sell them. Sorry, but that is against the rules. And nobody is allowed to do it.</p><p><br /></p><p>2 - Again you repeat yourself about what a ripoff the coin business is. Sorry, but I got news for ya - it isn't. Are there unscrupulous dealers out there that will take advantage of anybody they can? Absolutely ! And I personally have warned people about that almost continuously for 11 years now. There are unscrupulous people in any business, that is a fact of life.</p><p><br /></p><p>But at the same time there are great many respected and trusted dealers out there, who would never mistreat a customer or try to take advantage of them. That is also a fact of life. And if you offer your coins to them they will make you a fair offer.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, that presupposes that you, or anybody else, would actually know what a fair offer was when you were given one. A large part of the problem is the average collector does not know what a fair offer is. The average collector does not know how to grade coins accurately and correctly. The average collector has little to no understanding of the coin market. The average collector cannot correctly identify a problem coin when he sees one. The average collector has no idea of what his coins are really worth, most think they are worth far more than they really are. 99% of all collectors lose money on their coin collections when they sell them. All of these things are also facts of life - they are reality. Sadly, based on your comments, it appears you are among this group.</p><p><br /></p><p>The primary purpose of this forum is to help people who do not know these things. To try to help learn how to grade, to understand the coin market, to figure out what their coins are really worth, to learn how to identify problem coins when they see them, etc etc etc. And that what we do each and every day. And have since day one.</p><p><br /></p><p>But before anybody can be helped, they have to be willing to listen. If you aren't willing to listen then nobody will ever be able to help you.</p><p><br /></p><p>Can you find help here ? Absolutely, and there any number of members who would be more than willing to give it to you. But first you have to go about seeking that help within the forum rules. And then you have to be willing to listen.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you cannot do those two things, then yeah you are wasting your time.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1834661, member: 112"]Barfly - If you go back to your original post that started this thread, you state flat out that your intention is to sell these coins. Then you go on your rant - your word, not mine, about what a ripoff coin dealers are after you tried repeatedly to sell these coins. So two things. 1 - the forum has very specific rules, clearly stated that forbid members posting coins for sale anywhere except in the Advertising sections, and we allow you to do that for free. But we only allow you to do it there. So now here we are 5 pages later in the thread and post the entire list of your coins along with your grades, and your prices. It doesn't matter that you claimed they are not for sale because you have already said very plainly that they are for sale and that you are actively trying to sell them. Sorry, but that is against the rules. And nobody is allowed to do it. 2 - Again you repeat yourself about what a ripoff the coin business is. Sorry, but I got news for ya - it isn't. Are there unscrupulous dealers out there that will take advantage of anybody they can? Absolutely ! And I personally have warned people about that almost continuously for 11 years now. There are unscrupulous people in any business, that is a fact of life. But at the same time there are great many respected and trusted dealers out there, who would never mistreat a customer or try to take advantage of them. That is also a fact of life. And if you offer your coins to them they will make you a fair offer. However, that presupposes that you, or anybody else, would actually know what a fair offer was when you were given one. A large part of the problem is the average collector does not know what a fair offer is. The average collector does not know how to grade coins accurately and correctly. The average collector has little to no understanding of the coin market. The average collector cannot correctly identify a problem coin when he sees one. The average collector has no idea of what his coins are really worth, most think they are worth far more than they really are. 99% of all collectors lose money on their coin collections when they sell them. All of these things are also facts of life - they are reality. Sadly, based on your comments, it appears you are among this group. The primary purpose of this forum is to help people who do not know these things. To try to help learn how to grade, to understand the coin market, to figure out what their coins are really worth, to learn how to identify problem coins when they see them, etc etc etc. And that what we do each and every day. And have since day one. But before anybody can be helped, they have to be willing to listen. If you aren't willing to listen then nobody will ever be able to help you. Can you find help here ? Absolutely, and there any number of members who would be more than willing to give it to you. But first you have to go about seeking that help within the forum rules. And then you have to be willing to listen. If you cannot do those two things, then yeah you are wasting your time.[/QUOTE]
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