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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 3542785, member: 56653"]This is such a difficult question to answer and I don't presume to have the complete answer to it. One aspect to keep in mind is that a large majority of these seigneuries were founded in the 900s, so very early in the history of feudal relations, some of them, like Gien, being individualized as early as Charlemagne. So one could say that they were born at pretty much the same time as feudalism.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another aspect has to do with the overlordship over these seigneuries, that was so diverse, from the Dukes of Aquitaine and the Counts of Anjou in Gien or Issoudun to the Counts of Champagne and/or Blois in Vierzon, Celles-sur-Cher or Saint Aignan. And then there were the monastical lands that by the Third Crusade were already massive, stemming from all the land grants that the many Sires of Berry had bestowed upon the local chapters almost as a matter of habit. Reading Histoire de Berry for instance one becomes really fast acquainted with the many land grants and favors that the lords give to an Abbey or another, especially in the 12th century, as crusading becomes almost a requirement.</p><p><br /></p><p>This whole dynamic is probably at the forefront of the rapid and diversified development of the area in the 12 to early 14th centuries, as coinages competed with each other, the barons and counts enjoyed extended autonomy on the basis of their very old lineages and feudal relations, and thus could afford pushing the envelope on many things, from cathedral-building, to experimenting with new steels or to abolishing serfdom.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 3542785, member: 56653"]This is such a difficult question to answer and I don't presume to have the complete answer to it. One aspect to keep in mind is that a large majority of these seigneuries were founded in the 900s, so very early in the history of feudal relations, some of them, like Gien, being individualized as early as Charlemagne. So one could say that they were born at pretty much the same time as feudalism. Another aspect has to do with the overlordship over these seigneuries, that was so diverse, from the Dukes of Aquitaine and the Counts of Anjou in Gien or Issoudun to the Counts of Champagne and/or Blois in Vierzon, Celles-sur-Cher or Saint Aignan. And then there were the monastical lands that by the Third Crusade were already massive, stemming from all the land grants that the many Sires of Berry had bestowed upon the local chapters almost as a matter of habit. Reading Histoire de Berry for instance one becomes really fast acquainted with the many land grants and favors that the lords give to an Abbey or another, especially in the 12th century, as crusading becomes almost a requirement. This whole dynamic is probably at the forefront of the rapid and diversified development of the area in the 12 to early 14th centuries, as coinages competed with each other, the barons and counts enjoyed extended autonomy on the basis of their very old lineages and feudal relations, and thus could afford pushing the envelope on many things, from cathedral-building, to experimenting with new steels or to abolishing serfdom.[/QUOTE]
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