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<p>[QUOTE="cladking, post: 3174221, member: 68"]No.</p><p><br /></p><p>It doesn't work this way with moderns. </p><p><br /></p><p>The classics that survive are primarily random so any given coin had about an equal probability of survival today when it was produced. Today there is almost no randomness in what survives from the 1970's or the clad quarter era in general. Most of the coins that were saved in rolls originated among the few dealers selling the coins. These were located in western Pennsylvania, Greencastle, Indiana, and smaller sources in Ohio and California. For the main part any coin that wasn't released in these areas do not exist today in rolls or bags. Most of the coins that do exist were released in mint sets and only one major quarter variety exists in mint sets; '81-P type "d". </p><p><br /></p><p>All other varieties are scarce or rare and might not exist in Unc. Keep in mind though that I can't speak of other collectors and this disregards some f the varieties that were distributed in PA like the '80-D type "d" that appears in Arlan Kramer's rolls. </p><p><br /></p><p>You also need to consider that the biggest sources didn't even distribute an entire $1000 bag (4000 pieces) of dates like the '69-P quarter. There was no interest and the few who did collect just used mint sets. 1969 quarters from mint sets still in the packaging (500,000) are now ruined by tarnish. Most of the rest have been spent or lost in fires and floods. </p><p><br /></p><p>This means even common varieties like the '84-P type "d" quarter are very elusive in Unc. None appeared in mint sets and few people saved rolls. Despite accounting for 30% of mintage this coin isn't often seen better than a beat up VF. 1984-P quarters got beat up very quickly because they had very low rims to protect the design. For most practical purposes the coin is possibly non-existent in true Gem and hard to find in chBU. It's hardly rare in MS-60 but most of them are unattractive and few collectors have ever desired unattractive coins. I'd guess 5 or 10 in Gem, several hundred in chBU, and a couple thousand in Unc. The coin is still not in any sort of demand just as a '70-S cent in Gem has little demand unless it's the sm dt. PL '70-D half dollars have no real premium unless they are high grade as well despite accounting for only ~1% of a mintage of 2,000,000. </p><p><br /></p><p>Across the board in moderns we find rare coins that weren't in demand the day they were made and they still aren't. The article that prompted this thread is part of the reason and the other parts are bad price guides and bad third party grading. There is a widespread belief caused by modern bashers and people who don't collect moderns that they are all common. Q David Bowers even once suggested they are as common as grains of sand on the beach.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cladking, post: 3174221, member: 68"]No. It doesn't work this way with moderns. The classics that survive are primarily random so any given coin had about an equal probability of survival today when it was produced. Today there is almost no randomness in what survives from the 1970's or the clad quarter era in general. Most of the coins that were saved in rolls originated among the few dealers selling the coins. These were located in western Pennsylvania, Greencastle, Indiana, and smaller sources in Ohio and California. For the main part any coin that wasn't released in these areas do not exist today in rolls or bags. Most of the coins that do exist were released in mint sets and only one major quarter variety exists in mint sets; '81-P type "d". All other varieties are scarce or rare and might not exist in Unc. Keep in mind though that I can't speak of other collectors and this disregards some f the varieties that were distributed in PA like the '80-D type "d" that appears in Arlan Kramer's rolls. You also need to consider that the biggest sources didn't even distribute an entire $1000 bag (4000 pieces) of dates like the '69-P quarter. There was no interest and the few who did collect just used mint sets. 1969 quarters from mint sets still in the packaging (500,000) are now ruined by tarnish. Most of the rest have been spent or lost in fires and floods. This means even common varieties like the '84-P type "d" quarter are very elusive in Unc. None appeared in mint sets and few people saved rolls. Despite accounting for 30% of mintage this coin isn't often seen better than a beat up VF. 1984-P quarters got beat up very quickly because they had very low rims to protect the design. For most practical purposes the coin is possibly non-existent in true Gem and hard to find in chBU. It's hardly rare in MS-60 but most of them are unattractive and few collectors have ever desired unattractive coins. I'd guess 5 or 10 in Gem, several hundred in chBU, and a couple thousand in Unc. The coin is still not in any sort of demand just as a '70-S cent in Gem has little demand unless it's the sm dt. PL '70-D half dollars have no real premium unless they are high grade as well despite accounting for only ~1% of a mintage of 2,000,000. Across the board in moderns we find rare coins that weren't in demand the day they were made and they still aren't. The article that prompted this thread is part of the reason and the other parts are bad price guides and bad third party grading. There is a widespread belief caused by modern bashers and people who don't collect moderns that they are all common. Q David Bowers even once suggested they are as common as grains of sand on the beach.[/QUOTE]
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