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<p>[QUOTE="cladking, post: 3173039, member: 68"]Again, this goes to the heart of the word "modern". </p><p><br /></p><p>Just because a coin was made after 1965 does not mean that it is collected only in MS-70 or MS-69. It doesn't mean it is common in high grade. Many moderns don't even exist in UNC far less in Gem. Many moderns that are exceedingly common in F are very scarce or unknown in true Gem. No modern made for circulation exists in MS-70. Sure the pops can go up but far far far more moderns are being lost everyday than classics. This is an obvious fact. Very few '09-S VDB cents are lost or degraded every year but countless billions of almost every modern is being lost, destroyed, degraded, or otherwise removed from the total pops or from existence. </p><p><br /></p><p>I strongly agree that paying large premiums for "invisible" quality is a poor idea. But if a collector can see the difference between a 69 and a 70 who am I to tell him he shouldn't collect it or he is certain to lose money. Fancy slabs and the like are more likely bad deals but again, what's wrong with collecting rare slabs with coins in them. Here I would warn that the risk is high but who can predict what future demand might arise. </p><p><br /></p><p>Let people collect what they choose. Yes, a friendly warning is not necessarily inappropriate but these warnings should be specific. Saying most 1982-S quarters exist in a very narrow range between PR-68 and PR-70 so paying significant premiums for higher grades is highly risky but saying "modern pops can only increase" is simply wrong and misleading. Try finding a solidly struck 1982-P quarter!!! This date might not even exist in true MS-65 and telling people moderns are a money trap is just as bad as the publishers who treat this as a common coin in their price guides. Even PCGS which grades many inferior specimens of this date in MS-66 and MS-67 lists the MS-65 as being worth less than the wholesale price of a BU roll for the date!!!</p><p><br /></p><p>It is all these baseless warnings and baseless pricing that is keeping the rarity of many moderns from being widely known. </p><p><br /></p><p>But they are starting to be collected by the grass roots. People are buying the coins and wholesale pricing is increasing. The hobby might not wake up to this until it is almost over but it is happening despite the warnings and the bashing. It is happening despite the desires of most in the hobby.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cladking, post: 3173039, member: 68"]Again, this goes to the heart of the word "modern". Just because a coin was made after 1965 does not mean that it is collected only in MS-70 or MS-69. It doesn't mean it is common in high grade. Many moderns don't even exist in UNC far less in Gem. Many moderns that are exceedingly common in F are very scarce or unknown in true Gem. No modern made for circulation exists in MS-70. Sure the pops can go up but far far far more moderns are being lost everyday than classics. This is an obvious fact. Very few '09-S VDB cents are lost or degraded every year but countless billions of almost every modern is being lost, destroyed, degraded, or otherwise removed from the total pops or from existence. I strongly agree that paying large premiums for "invisible" quality is a poor idea. But if a collector can see the difference between a 69 and a 70 who am I to tell him he shouldn't collect it or he is certain to lose money. Fancy slabs and the like are more likely bad deals but again, what's wrong with collecting rare slabs with coins in them. Here I would warn that the risk is high but who can predict what future demand might arise. Let people collect what they choose. Yes, a friendly warning is not necessarily inappropriate but these warnings should be specific. Saying most 1982-S quarters exist in a very narrow range between PR-68 and PR-70 so paying significant premiums for higher grades is highly risky but saying "modern pops can only increase" is simply wrong and misleading. Try finding a solidly struck 1982-P quarter!!! This date might not even exist in true MS-65 and telling people moderns are a money trap is just as bad as the publishers who treat this as a common coin in their price guides. Even PCGS which grades many inferior specimens of this date in MS-66 and MS-67 lists the MS-65 as being worth less than the wholesale price of a BU roll for the date!!! It is all these baseless warnings and baseless pricing that is keeping the rarity of many moderns from being widely known. But they are starting to be collected by the grass roots. People are buying the coins and wholesale pricing is increasing. The hobby might not wake up to this until it is almost over but it is happening despite the warnings and the bashing. It is happening despite the desires of most in the hobby.[/QUOTE]
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