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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 767806, member: 15309"]The rest of the numismatic community does not agree with your opinion. While the Weimar White fans will call any toning damage, they represent the lunatic fringe. The overwhelming majority of the numismatic community do not consider rainbow toning a "probem". Whether collectors pay a premium for toning is another issue entirely and completely irrelevant. </p><p> </p><p>Your statement that almost rainbow toned coins are AT is also incorrect. You are free to believe that there is no way to confirm or deny the originality of toning, but to do so would include ignoring the fact that Morgan Dollars developed dramatic rainbow toning by sitting in canvas bags for decades in bank vaults. You would also ignore the fact that coin albums routinely produce concentric target toned coins from prolonged storage. You would ignore that the original goverment packaging was the result of tab toning on many early commems and crazy rainbow toning on silver mint sets. You would ignore all of these things because you are aware that some coin doctors have decided to try and replicate what mother nature has done on millions of coins and claim that their actions cast doubt on all toned coins.</p><p> </p><p>You can call rainbow toned coins POS's and it is an opinion. You can state paying a premium for any toned coins is reckless and that is an opinion. You can call the rainbow toned phenomenon a "fad" and that is an opinon. What you can't do is state that rainbow toned coins are "problem" coins and present it as an opinion simply because there is not indisputable proof of originality for every coin. To do so would be to disregard all of the known ways that create rainbow toning naturally. Furthermore, can you name one leader in the numismatic world who considers rainbow toning a "problem" and shares your opinion.</p><p> </p><p>If you don't understand why collectors pay a premium for rainbow toning after reading all of my posts over the last two years then I submit that the reason you don't understand is because you have a closed mind. I will also submit that you are not being truthful. I believe you fully understand why they do it but you disagree with it so strenuously that you can't even bring yourself to admit that you understand it.</p><p> </p><p>It is your position that almost every collector you know "prefers a nice even natural tone on silver." The large majority of toned coins appear lifeless under drab shades of grey, brown, and russet. The most common toning pattern is undoubtedly mottled. Some of the members of this forum (including some that posted in this thread) may not even know what mottled toning is. The reason for that is mottled toning is unattractive as are colors like grey, brown, and russet. Dealers know that collectors will pay more for a bright fresh white coin than one of these "nice even natural toned" silver coins so they dip them. Dip them by the thousands, by the millions. That is why you don't see mottled drab colored coins in the market place; collectors DO NOT prefer them.</p><p> </p><p>As for the members commenting positively on the coin in this thread not knowing. Unfortunately, that may have to be true. We can't hold principles like "there is no price to cheap for a problem coin" in high regard and then praise a problem coin for it's originality. For anyone who thinks this Barber Quarter is a quality coin, I submit they don't know what a quality Barber Quarter looks like. </p><p> </p><p>I think the members who commented positively did do for a few reasons. The coin looks kinda cool in a spooky, eerie way, that is why I bought it. Many members will post a positive comment just to be nice. And some may be so used to posting positive comments about my nice coins, they did it out of sheer habit.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I will bet you a certified crusty BU Franklin Half Dollar that no member who liked this coin in this thread would bid even XF money for this coin if I listed it on E-Bay![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 767806, member: 15309"]The rest of the numismatic community does not agree with your opinion. While the Weimar White fans will call any toning damage, they represent the lunatic fringe. The overwhelming majority of the numismatic community do not consider rainbow toning a "probem". Whether collectors pay a premium for toning is another issue entirely and completely irrelevant. Your statement that almost rainbow toned coins are AT is also incorrect. You are free to believe that there is no way to confirm or deny the originality of toning, but to do so would include ignoring the fact that Morgan Dollars developed dramatic rainbow toning by sitting in canvas bags for decades in bank vaults. You would also ignore the fact that coin albums routinely produce concentric target toned coins from prolonged storage. You would ignore that the original goverment packaging was the result of tab toning on many early commems and crazy rainbow toning on silver mint sets. You would ignore all of these things because you are aware that some coin doctors have decided to try and replicate what mother nature has done on millions of coins and claim that their actions cast doubt on all toned coins. You can call rainbow toned coins POS's and it is an opinion. You can state paying a premium for any toned coins is reckless and that is an opinion. You can call the rainbow toned phenomenon a "fad" and that is an opinon. What you can't do is state that rainbow toned coins are "problem" coins and present it as an opinion simply because there is not indisputable proof of originality for every coin. To do so would be to disregard all of the known ways that create rainbow toning naturally. Furthermore, can you name one leader in the numismatic world who considers rainbow toning a "problem" and shares your opinion. If you don't understand why collectors pay a premium for rainbow toning after reading all of my posts over the last two years then I submit that the reason you don't understand is because you have a closed mind. I will also submit that you are not being truthful. I believe you fully understand why they do it but you disagree with it so strenuously that you can't even bring yourself to admit that you understand it. It is your position that almost every collector you know "prefers a nice even natural tone on silver." The large majority of toned coins appear lifeless under drab shades of grey, brown, and russet. The most common toning pattern is undoubtedly mottled. Some of the members of this forum (including some that posted in this thread) may not even know what mottled toning is. The reason for that is mottled toning is unattractive as are colors like grey, brown, and russet. Dealers know that collectors will pay more for a bright fresh white coin than one of these "nice even natural toned" silver coins so they dip them. Dip them by the thousands, by the millions. That is why you don't see mottled drab colored coins in the market place; collectors DO NOT prefer them. As for the members commenting positively on the coin in this thread not knowing. Unfortunately, that may have to be true. We can't hold principles like "there is no price to cheap for a problem coin" in high regard and then praise a problem coin for it's originality. For anyone who thinks this Barber Quarter is a quality coin, I submit they don't know what a quality Barber Quarter looks like. I think the members who commented positively did do for a few reasons. The coin looks kinda cool in a spooky, eerie way, that is why I bought it. Many members will post a positive comment just to be nice. And some may be so used to posting positive comments about my nice coins, they did it out of sheer habit.:p I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I will bet you a certified crusty BU Franklin Half Dollar that no member who liked this coin in this thread would bid even XF money for this coin if I listed it on E-Bay![/QUOTE]
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