Featured An Domitian from an troubled year

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Parthicus Maximus, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    I'm very happy with my new addition. This coin has been on my watch list at Ma-shops for quite a while. Every time I saw the coin I felt attracted to the portrait. Since the coin had been on sale for quite a while, I decided to make an offer. It was accepted quickly.


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    Domitian 81-96 AD
    AR Denarius
    Struck 86 AD (second issue)
    IMP•CAES DOMIT AVG•GERM P M TR P V.
    laureate head right
    IMP•XII COS XII CENS•P•P•P•
    Minerva standing right on capital
    of rostral column, holding spear and shield, owl at foot right (M2)
    2,88g/20,5mm
    Ric 437 (R)
    Ex Historische Münzen & Medaillen

    Like my previous one, the coin comes from the second issue of 86 AD. It was mainly a coincidence that my second Denarius of Domitian as Augustus comes from the same issue as the first. A nice goal could be to collect all four types of this issue. However, there is a risk that the other coins will not appear fast, which is quite possible because most of the coins from 86 AD are fairly rare.
    The coin also has nice rainbow toning, it is a nice bonus but it was not one of the reasons to buy this coin.

    Domitian quickly changed from imperial titles in the year 86. All this to do with the fact that he and Cornelius Fuscus (the Praetorian prefect) launched an offensive against the Dacians, which would ultimately lead to a dramatic defeat that killed almost Fuscus entire army. Domitian and Fuscus left to Dacia, after the Dacians invaded the Province of Moesia under the direction of possibly Decebalus. The Dacians inflicted a huge defeat on the Romans, Governor Oppius Sabinus and one whole legion were completely defeated. This caused Domitian and Fuscus to leave to Moesia. There the order was restored, which gave Domitian a number of imperial acclamations. Although there is little documentation about this period, most historians agree that Domitian then returned to Rome. However, Fuscus undertook a campaign deep into Dacia. Fuscus was initially successful until he and his army were ambushed and completely defeated.

    Domitian was then forced to conclude a peace treaty. Often this disadvantageous treaty Domitian is charged. However, the question is whether this is justified. Domitian was confronted with the greatest turmoil on the borders of the entire first century.

    Please show your rainbow toned coins, nice Domitians or anything else that is relevant.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Very nice @Parthicus. This one is from a later issue
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    DOMITIAN
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG - GERM P M TR P VIII Head laureate right
    REVERSE: IMP XVII COS XIIII CENS P P P Minerva fighting right with spear and shield atop capital of rostral column, owl at her feet
    Struck at Rome, 88-89 AD
    3.55g, 18.44mm
    RIC 657 (R )
     
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  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    What a lovely portrait! Certainly in very fine style.

    Here's my RIC 437 for comparison, not quite as stylish as yours.

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    Domitian
    AR Denarius, 2.93g
    Rome mint, 86 AD
    Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P V; Head of Domitian, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: IMP•XII COS XII CENS•P•P•P•; Minerva stg. r. on capital of rostral column, with spear and shield; to r., owl (M2)
    RIC 437 (R). BMC p. 319 note. RSC 204. BNC 96.
    Acquired from A. G .& S. Gillis, December 2013.
     
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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Wow, there are some lovely coins in this thread. Congrats @Parthicus Maximus on the wonderful addition.

    Here is my D435. Same issue but different Minerva pose. You should see the rainbow toning on this one now.

    Domitian RIC 435 .jpg
     
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  6. ominus1

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  7. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Perhaps one of you Domitian experts could help me with this coin?
    I can't find it in RCV or RSC, only the type but not the XXII COS XVI.

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  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

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  10. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Parthicus, that one was on my watch list too!
     
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  11. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    I personally think that portrait is pretty good. It only misses the beautiful gaze.

    https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1193&pos=132
    I found this Denarius in your Forum gallery (It's a great place for a starting Domitian collector). I personally think mine Ric 437 and this are from the same engraver. I base that on the hair and the staring gaze.
     
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  12. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Sorry @Jay GT4 for buying it:sorry:
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Great coin, @Parthicus Maximus. I like the cabinet toning. I also think Domitian resembles Mussolini a little bit in that portrait, with the prominent nose, mouth, and chin.

    Just sayin'...

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  14. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    I don't like to draw parallels between different leaders. But maybe his portrait looks a bit like Mussolini. I hope that that is the only similarity between Domitian and Mussolini.
     
  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Maybe just this portrait- not his others.
     
  16. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    as requested, a toned Domitian denarius:

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  17. DorkNerd

    DorkNerd Active Member

    Here's the first one after I finished cleaning it. I'm stopping here, I like the details as they are now.

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    Thanks again to those that helped!
     
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  18. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    My Domitian coins thus far .. 95BE7DF8-DE7B-4EF4-B76E-23A4F0BFB522.jpeg 0B203712-45EE-42BD-9F42-0AC2EA0B9966.jpeg
     
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  19. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

  20. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    That’s my favourite as well ! The conditions really nice
     
  21. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is the piece from my "12 Caesars" set.

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