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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Midas, post: 116563, member: 2761&quot;]I didn&#039;t give NGC enough time to adjust their POP report, but they did ...and I even mentioned it in a post-folow-up-post, so yes...the likes of PCGS and NGC will adjust their POP reports.</p><p><br /></p><p>I substantiated my argumemt with <u>published</u> reports from BOTH PCGS and NGC.&nbsp; In my previous example with the common date Lincoln cents (easily found in RED condition), I demonstrated three examples of where NGC gave out way more MS67 grades then PCGS.&nbsp; Is this a coincidence?&nbsp; After examining many of these reports, the numbers are pretty much similar across the board.&nbsp; On an average of 3 to 1, NGC gives out way more 67 grades than PCGS.&nbsp; Are you going to tell me, coin for coin, that NGC is getting 3 times more MS67 coins than PCGS?&nbsp; Or is it that PCGS is 3 times more likely NOT to hand out these top grades?&nbsp; You don&#039;t think other collectors are asking these questions?&nbsp; I have been asked and I am asking myself!</p><p><br /></p><p>You say that NGC grades conservatively, but from what I have seen (in hand), what I heard, what I have read, and what I have been told, I am basing my conclusions not on personal feelinigs.&nbsp; Frankly, I could care less who does a better job.&nbsp; I have no financial interest in either these TPG&#039;s...but I would be a fool not to make sure my collection was as liquid as possible in the event I need to sell...so if I have to submit my raw coins, I just HAVE to use PCGS.&nbsp; I would be a fool if I didn&#039;t!</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the other factor, dollars realized...well explain this:</p><p><br /></p><p>Previous Prizes Realized History from Teletrade (I used Teletrade because I look at this auction house as somewhere between Heritage and eBay...with auctions going on all of the time)</p><p><br /></p><p>Mar 1 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Silver Dollar 1885CC PCGS 64&nbsp;&nbsp; $644 </p><p>Mar 1 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Silver Dollar 1885CC GSA Hoard NGC 64&nbsp;&nbsp; $560</p><p>Feb 27 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Silver Dollar 1885CC PCGS 64&nbsp;&nbsp; $644</p><p>Feb 27 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Silver Dollar 1885CC PCGS 64&nbsp;&nbsp; $644 </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Jan 16 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1940D PCGS 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $134&nbsp; </p><p>Jan 15 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1940D NGC 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $63&nbsp; </p><p>Jan 11 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1940D NGC 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $53</p><p>Jan 8 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1940D NGC 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $63&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Feb 12 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1947D PCGS 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $134</p><p>Oct 30 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1947D NGC 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $78</p><p>Sep 5 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1947D NGC 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $78&nbsp; </p><p>Sep 4 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1947D NGC 67 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $84 </p><p><br /></p><p>Nov 23 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1975S Proof PCGS 69 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $246&nbsp; </p><p>Nov 21 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1975S Proof PCGS 69 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $258</p><p>Oct 30 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1975S Proof NGC 69 RD Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $95 </p><p>Aug 15 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1975S Proof PCGS 69 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $146 </p><p><br /></p><p>Jan 29 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1941 PCGS 66 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $50</p><p>Nov 2 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1941 NGC 66 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $17</p><p>Oct 31 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1941 PCGS 66 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $41 </p><p>Sep 25 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Small Cent 1941 PCGS 66 RD&nbsp;&nbsp; $35 </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Jan 18 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 1927 PCGS 66&nbsp;&nbsp; $672</p><p>Jun 20 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 1927 NGC 66&nbsp;&nbsp; $550</p><p>May 9 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 1927 NGC 66&nbsp;&nbsp; $578</p><p><br /></p><p>Feb 26 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Ocean View NGC 70 Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $47</p><p>Feb 8 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Ocean View NGC 70 Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $78&nbsp; </p><p>Feb 5 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Ocean View NGC 70 Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $68&nbsp; </p><p>Feb 1 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Ocean View NGC 70 Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $63&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Feb 27 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Western Waters PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $168</p><p>Feb 27 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Western Waters PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $168</p><p>Feb 27 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Western Waters PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $168</p><p>Feb 27 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Nickel 2005S Proof Western Waters PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $168 </p><p><br /></p><p>Mar 1 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Quarter 1950D PCGS 66&nbsp;&nbsp; $63</p><p>Feb 19 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Quarter 1950D PCGS 66&nbsp;&nbsp; $78&nbsp; </p><p>Jan 29 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Quarter 1950D NGC 66&nbsp;&nbsp; $32&nbsp; </p><p>Nov 2 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Quarter 1950D NGC 66&nbsp;&nbsp; $53&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Jan 23 2006&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2002S Proof Ohio Silver NGC 70 Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $63&nbsp; </p><p>Sep 18 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2002S Proof Louisiana Silver NGC 70 Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $63 </p><p>Sep 14 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2002S Proof Louisiana Silver PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $588&nbsp; </p><p>Apr 17 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2002S Proof Louisiana Silver PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $468 </p><p><br /></p><p>Dec 14 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2000S Proof New Hampshire PCGS 69 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $14&nbsp; </p><p>Oct 31 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2000S Proof New Hampshire PCGS 69 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $14&nbsp; </p><p>Oct 23 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2000S Proof New Hampshire PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $336&nbsp; </p><p>Sep 14 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2000S Proof New Hampshire Clad NGC 70 Ultra Cam&nbsp;&nbsp; $73&nbsp; </p><p>Apr 20 2005&nbsp;&nbsp; Statehood Quarter 2000S Proof New Hampshire PCGS 70 DCAM&nbsp;&nbsp; $330&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>I could go on...but hey, I am open to all constructive arguments that I am way over my head if I don&#039;t buy the notion that NGC grades more conservaticely then PCGS.&nbsp; Look at the dollars...look at the reports.&nbsp; Feelings aside, I looking at facts and figures.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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