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<p>[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1245167, member: 27043"]Back to the topic at hand...</p><p><br /></p><p>jeffB's right. I've made my living (like him, it sounds like) in the field for several decades, and not protecting transactional consistency borders on criminal negligence.</p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps a "real world example" to clarify the severity of this issue.</p><p><br /></p><p>You log on to your bank's website, and transfer $500 from savings to checking. This is a "transaction" that must occur completely, or not at all.</p><p><br /></p><p>Why? Simple. Your transfer is MULTIPLE modifications of information. It is, in its simplest form, the WITHDRAWAL of $500 from your savings account, AND the DEPOSIT of $500 to your checking account. At a bare minimum, TWO events must occur for the transaction to be complete.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of critical importance is that if one fails, then the other CAN NOT be allowed to continue. If we fail to withdraw $500 from your savings account (for whatever reason) we can not then proceed to complete the deposit into checking. If we do, we have created money that does not exist, and improperly credited it to an account that does not contain it. </p><p><br /></p><p>Likewise, if the deposit into checking fails, the withdrawal from savings MUST be undone, otherwise we have simply "negated" the existance of $500 of our customer's money.</p><p><br /></p><p>Community Chest cards not withstanding, "Bank errors"...in your favor or not...simply can't be allowed to happen like this. It's an issue of integrity. If the system allows money to appear or disappear at random, then there is no faith or credibility in ANYTHING the system tells us at any time. In short, the system is now worthless, regardless of what features it offers.</p><p><br /></p><p>What the OP has told all of us, then, is that EBay (and by extension, PayPal, EBay's property) has, in at least one situation, failed to protect and enforce transactional consistency. It allowed an item to be sold that was not available, and then, failing to properly determine the item was unavailable, PROCEEDED WITH THE SALE. Worse yet, when it later became CLEAR the item had not been available, it allowed an orphaned record of a sale to exist, and did NOT roll back the invalid parts of the transaction.</p><p><br /></p><p>The integrity of the entire EBay/Paypal system is now in question. EBay's unwilingness to acknowledge/address this fact calls the COMPANY'S integrity into question as well.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1245167, member: 27043"]Back to the topic at hand... jeffB's right. I've made my living (like him, it sounds like) in the field for several decades, and not protecting transactional consistency borders on criminal negligence. Perhaps a "real world example" to clarify the severity of this issue. You log on to your bank's website, and transfer $500 from savings to checking. This is a "transaction" that must occur completely, or not at all. Why? Simple. Your transfer is MULTIPLE modifications of information. It is, in its simplest form, the WITHDRAWAL of $500 from your savings account, AND the DEPOSIT of $500 to your checking account. At a bare minimum, TWO events must occur for the transaction to be complete. Of critical importance is that if one fails, then the other CAN NOT be allowed to continue. If we fail to withdraw $500 from your savings account (for whatever reason) we can not then proceed to complete the deposit into checking. If we do, we have created money that does not exist, and improperly credited it to an account that does not contain it. Likewise, if the deposit into checking fails, the withdrawal from savings MUST be undone, otherwise we have simply "negated" the existance of $500 of our customer's money. Community Chest cards not withstanding, "Bank errors"...in your favor or not...simply can't be allowed to happen like this. It's an issue of integrity. If the system allows money to appear or disappear at random, then there is no faith or credibility in ANYTHING the system tells us at any time. In short, the system is now worthless, regardless of what features it offers. What the OP has told all of us, then, is that EBay (and by extension, PayPal, EBay's property) has, in at least one situation, failed to protect and enforce transactional consistency. It allowed an item to be sold that was not available, and then, failing to properly determine the item was unavailable, PROCEEDED WITH THE SALE. Worse yet, when it later became CLEAR the item had not been available, it allowed an orphaned record of a sale to exist, and did NOT roll back the invalid parts of the transaction. The integrity of the entire EBay/Paypal system is now in question. EBay's unwilingness to acknowledge/address this fact calls the COMPANY'S integrity into question as well.[/QUOTE]
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