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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 8191069, member: 85693"]I really like those Imaginary Bust types. On silver, there seems to be three types, but I lack the reference books to attribute them; one was used from 1808-c. 1809, the other c. 1809-1811. Recently I picked up a couple of the third (?) type, from eBay. The price was right (under $50, which seems these days to be a bargain for low-grade 8 reales). </p><p><br /></p><p>They came in fancy "America's First Silver Dollar" fake-velvet-covered clamshell boxes from Washington Mint. As usual, they have a few chopmarks (which I like) and have been polished to a high, mirror-like finish (which I do not like). Maybe in another 200 years they will re-tone<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1434075[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1434076[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1434077[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The 1811 is an overdate type (1811/10) which was kind of a nice surprise, though not especially valuable: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1434080[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Here is an example of the first (or second?) type portrait. These seem to be a bit uncommon; it too has been polished, but no fancy clamshell box. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1434090[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>If I am interpreting this right, the first type portrait has a very large eye, set down far on the face, and a slight trace of a double chin. The mouth is more frowny, rather than straight across. Sometime in 1809 this was changed to the other type - earlier type on left: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1434097[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I am saying three types of portraits because of this:</p><p><br /></p><p>"Yonaka-M8-108-VII - Gorgeous example of this abundant date in the Ferdinand VII Armored Bust series. <b>Type A portrait, which is the most likely candidate for the first portrait design, as it occurs most frequently in 1808 and less so in 1809. </b>This is also a sub-type with Ferdinand's mouth slightly open. An overall pleasing coin with a multicolored patina."</p><p><br /></p><p>and: </p><p><br /></p><p>"Yonaka-M8-109a, Calbeto-861 - Much more scarce combination of assayer initials. <b>Type C portrait</b>. Beautiful toning with a slightly weak strike, not unusual for the series."</p><p><br /></p><p>This information from PCSG <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/world-coins/8-reales-madness/imagegallery/478" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/world-coins/8-reales-madness/imagegallery/478" rel="nofollow">https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/world-coins/8-reales-madness/imagegallery/478</a></p><p><br /></p><p>So A, B and C type portraits? I can see a difference between two of them, but not sure where the third type comes in. Any more information on this would be much appreciated![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 8191069, member: 85693"]I really like those Imaginary Bust types. On silver, there seems to be three types, but I lack the reference books to attribute them; one was used from 1808-c. 1809, the other c. 1809-1811. Recently I picked up a couple of the third (?) type, from eBay. The price was right (under $50, which seems these days to be a bargain for low-grade 8 reales). They came in fancy "America's First Silver Dollar" fake-velvet-covered clamshell boxes from Washington Mint. As usual, they have a few chopmarks (which I like) and have been polished to a high, mirror-like finish (which I do not like). Maybe in another 200 years they will re-tone:oops: [ATTACH=full]1434075[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1434076[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1434077[/ATTACH] The 1811 is an overdate type (1811/10) which was kind of a nice surprise, though not especially valuable: [ATTACH=full]1434080[/ATTACH] Here is an example of the first (or second?) type portrait. These seem to be a bit uncommon; it too has been polished, but no fancy clamshell box. [ATTACH=full]1434090[/ATTACH] If I am interpreting this right, the first type portrait has a very large eye, set down far on the face, and a slight trace of a double chin. The mouth is more frowny, rather than straight across. Sometime in 1809 this was changed to the other type - earlier type on left: [ATTACH=full]1434097[/ATTACH] I am saying three types of portraits because of this: "Yonaka-M8-108-VII - Gorgeous example of this abundant date in the Ferdinand VII Armored Bust series. [B]Type A portrait, which is the most likely candidate for the first portrait design, as it occurs most frequently in 1808 and less so in 1809. [/B]This is also a sub-type with Ferdinand's mouth slightly open. An overall pleasing coin with a multicolored patina." and: "Yonaka-M8-109a, Calbeto-861 - Much more scarce combination of assayer initials. [B]Type C portrait[/B]. Beautiful toning with a slightly weak strike, not unusual for the series." This information from PCSG [URL]https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/world-coins/8-reales-madness/imagegallery/478[/URL] So A, B and C type portraits? I can see a difference between two of them, but not sure where the third type comes in. Any more information on this would be much appreciated![/QUOTE]
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