This is an imaginary bust type coin of Ferdinand VII. Upon his assent to the Spanish throne, official portrait dies were not yet available, so the die cutters at the Mexico City Mint, as well as Lima and Santiago had to resort to improvised portraits, which varied considerably, especially comparing the Lima imaginary busts and those of Mexico City. The War for Independence was commencing when this gold coin was minted, a bloody conflict that lasted until independence from Spain was finally achieved in 1821. During this conflict, both sides produced a wide variety of coins ranging from the struck coins royalist mints to those of the insurgents, which were more often than not quite crude, produced as struck or cast coins, sometimes with counterstamps. Here are a few insurgent coins. The first three coins were minted by Morelos, a Catholic priest and revolutionary leader, who assumed the head of the revolutionary forces upon the execution of Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla by the Spanish colonialists in 1811. A copper "SUD" of Morelos, 1813, hammer struck. A copper "SUD" of Morelos, TC (Tierra Caliente), 1813, hammer struck. A cast silver 8 reales "SUD" of Morelos, 1813. Ex Richard Long, Auction 87, lot 159. A cast 8 reales based on a Mexico City coin of Charles IV, with counterstamps, Congress of Chilpancingo (convened September 1813 to November 1813). and LVS. KM 281 And the featured coin of this thread: This 8 escudos, with its fine peripheral toning, was purchased from Karl Stephens in January 1997. It is a variety, with a dot following "ET" in the obverse legend. Ferdinand VII, 1809 Assayer HJ 8 escudos, imaginary bust type Mexico City Mint KM 160 F 47 27.0 grams Please post your imaginary bust coins, coins from the wars of independence and anything else you wish. Thanks.