Amazing Find, 1794 Liberty Cap S-34 R5+

This is the NC-2 with the highest detail I can find.

 

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I found an S-203 Map but no NC-2. I overlaid the S-203 map onto the Heritage NC-2 image you provided - overlay shown below. Looks like I could use the S-203 map and simply re-position "LIBERTY" and "1800" and produce a fairly decent (containing some minor deviations) map of NC-2.

 

I’ve seen slugs that were barely identifiable get holdered. There’s no what this coin can be anything other than a 1794 cent. You got jipped.

 

I re-positioned "LIBERTY" and "1800" on my S-203 map to emulated NC-2 then overlaid this new map onto your coin. The coin doesn't provide much detail to position the map on. You have the actual coin in hand - so I'll let you be the judge.

 

The second 0 looks a little off. I wonder if you could add on a diagnostic die crack/CUD of the later die state to the overlay and see if the corrosion lines match up or not.



Here are a couple that show the die crack better.

 

You asked prior for the large cents I have mapped - following is the list. Being that a die may be paired with different dies throughout its life - I could possible use some these existing maps and create some additional varieties not on my list. I just don't have access to that information.
Mapped Large Cents
S-1 through S-16
S-18
S-21 through S-32
S-35
S-59
S-85
S-136
S-139
S-203
S-229
1806/7 Large 7 (S-???)
1806/7 Small 7 (S-???)
S-277, S-278, S-279
1816 N-1 Through N-9
1817 N-1 Through N-17
1818 N-1 Through N-10
1819 N-1 Through N-10
1820 N-1, N-2, N-3, N-9, N-11, N-12, N-13, N-14
1843 Petite-Large Letters (N-???)
1843 Petite-Small Letters (N-???)
1843 Mature-Large Letters (N-???)
1847 N-1, N-2, N-18, N-31
1857 N-1, N-2, N-4

Anyway back to your coin. Are these the characteristics you wanted mapped?

 

Thank you so much. That is exactly what I was looking for. I do not have a photo program that does overlays. But I do have six that allow me to manipulate the photos except for overlays.

Microsoft Office Picture Manager
Paint
Paint3D
Photos
Photo Windows Viewer
Photoshop

Which one are you using for the overlays?

I can help you find good images of any variety you are interested in. I Access the Holmes collection, Heritage Archives and the ANS collection.

 

I'm using TurboCad. I import coin images into my CAD (Computer Aided Design) workspace and create the maps by plotting points on the image - basically tracing the coin design - using the CAD drawing tools. So my so called maps are actually CAD drawings. I am currently looking for Obverse and Reverse images for S-17, S-19 and S20. Of course if any of their Obv or Rev dies are common to other varieties - I can substitute the map from the other common variety and save some time. I don't know where to find that information.

 

S-17 Dies 1 & A
S-18 Dies 2 & A
S-19 Dies 2 & B
S-20 Dies 3 & B

 

Cool - I have S-18 mapped so that takes care of OBV-2 and REV-A. I also have S-12 through S-16 mapped. Any of these obv or rev dies happen to carryover into 1794? I also have maps of S-21 through S-31 any of these struck by dies OBV-1, OBV-3 or REV-B? Thanks.

 

None of these dies carry over from or after these uses other than reverse B carrying over to S-21 which is the first head of 94.

The above dies cover the Head of 93s. Many claim head of 93 without realizing what it means.

 

Thanks - you saved me some work Now I only have to map OBV-1 and OBV-3 as opposed to 3 different Obverses and 3 different Reverses.

 

So 1794 OBV 5 and OBV 10 have similar diagnostics. Following are some overlays to show differences between the dies.

 

Marshall I now have S-17 through S-36 mapped except for S-33. I also have S-45 and S-59 mapped. Can you help in my completing the OBV-REV Matrix Below?

 

It looks like the OP is convinced its the S-34, left the ebay auction up and hasn't been back. I'm certainly not any expert on EACs but the fact is NGC had it in hand and you paid good money for them to attribute it and they were not able to due to its condition. It's worn, corroded, scratched, and the date is gone. I can just barely make out the 4 on it from the photo. IMO, its not going to be an easy sell due to being so worn and unverifiable claims.
The ethical thing to do would be to be honest about the debate and that NGC wouldn't grade or attribute it due to condition. Somebody will still want it. The offer will be lower than what you're asking but still be much more than what you have in it. That's what I'd do.

If you can't at least agree that it's attribution is not provable, then this is yet another case of somebody believing what they want to believe.

 

Its been interesting, while I have been away from things I have not forgotten the debate. I am convinced it is an S-34. In the hands the die crack is very prominent, and not consistent with pmd. The line wouldn't be raised, and if so it would be through the hat entirely, not how the crack is almost going "under" the hat.

Jon alan boka received pictures of the coin, and he too is convinced. He did say it was incredibly worn, but he had no doubt of it being the S-34 regardless of how much it appeared to be an S-22. While no I don't think I will get what I'm asking on eBay, I am very open to offers. I will update the listing to provide more clarity on the debate, and keep the buyer aware.

 

I am still in the S-22 Camp.

 

No problem:

Head of 93
17a 1 A
NC-4 (17b) 1 A
18a 2 A
18b 2 A
19a 2 B
19b 2 B
NC-7 (20a) 3 B
20b 3 B

Head of 94
21 4 B
22 5 C
23 6 D
24 7 D
NC-8 8 MM
NC-11 8 J
25 8 E
26 8 F
27 9 G
28 10 G
29 10 H
30 11/12/17 H
31 11/12/17 I
32 13 J
33 13 K
34 13 L
35 14 L
NC-1 15 L
36 15 M
37 16 M
38 11/12/17 M
39 11/12/17 N
40 11/12/17 O
NC-2 11/12/17 P
41 18 Q
42 18 R
43 19 R
NC-10 19 OO
44 19 S
NC-5 19 T
45 20 T
46 20 U
47 21 V
NC-9 21 NN
48 21 W
49 21 X
50 22 X
51 23 X
52 24 X
53 25 X
54 26 X
55 26 Y
56 26 Z
57 27 AA
58 28 BB
59 28 CC
60 29 DD
61 29 EE
62 30 EE
63 31 FF
64 32 GG
65 32 HH
NC-6 32 LL
66 33 II

Head of 95
67 34 II
68 35 II
69 36 II
70 36 JJ
71 37 JJ
NC-3 38 KK

Exact Head of 95 (no curl)
72 39 KK

My best source for Comps is Heritage Auction Archives.
https://coins.ha.com/c/search-resul...1577+792+2088+51+307&ic=browsecategory-071713

I usually just pull up the highest price and find a decent comp in the first two or three.

On the really rare ones, I use a Holmes 2009 link
https://www.icollector.com/auction.aspx?as=14916&vm=0

 

Thanks - saves a lot of work and answers many questions. Looks like 37 different obverse dies and 41 different reverse dies. Then a few die pairings recognized as a different variety due to die stage of the pairing. If I counted right.