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<p>[QUOTE="silentnviolent, post: 2149023, member: 8797"]Besides the notion that the dealer is a schmuck, it could also be that he was fostering an interest.</p><p><br /></p><p>When I first started roll searching I found, I believe, a 1961 D cent with some sort of doubling. I took it to the nearest shop where the owner and his buddy behind the counter that rarely speaks (isn't there one of those at every shop? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> ) took a look at it.</p><p><br /></p><p>The "other guy" offered me $20 for it. One time offer no longer good when I left the shop. He did not offer to send it in. I passed and looked on my own to see if I was dodging a bullet. Turns out it was MD. </p><p><br /></p><p> I love that shop and now talk extensively with both guys every time I'm out that way. I have been a repeat customer for many years and they have been super knowledgeable later on when I had questions on gold pieces (another great story). </p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that $20 offer was made as either a test of some sort, or with the belief that any offer would be denied but still reinforce the idea that there was something more to be learned about it before trying to sell.</p><p><br /></p><p>As a more on-topic aside to my rambling, <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> consider this:</p><p><br /></p><p>A metal disk in a certain thickness and diameter will weigh different amounts ONLY if the metal is different. </p><p><br /></p><p>I remember science class teaching that the two closest elements are lead and gold, and people have tried for centuries to convert one to the other unsuccessfully. Is there another (magnetic) metal so near in atomic weight to copper? </p><p><br /></p><p>I just had this same discussion on a local page for collectors I made on Facebook. I answered her simply by saying that if it weighs what copper should weigh given the dimensions, it cannot be any other metal.</p><p><br /></p><p>People tend to be impatient with enthusiasm and the killing of it, seeming and feeling like the troll under the bridge every time they have to be the buzzkill, but after a while they tend to deflect this feeling by advising prematurely and out of frustration to send it to a TPG. </p><p><br /></p><p>This does nobody any favors because now instead of being the jerk who peed on your parade, I (the advisor) am (is) the schmuck who gave bad, costly advice.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm guilty of it myself, though generally only after someone seems to actively resist information being provided and explanations as to why something is not what it seemed or was thought to be. </p><p><br /></p><p>I still want to hear what PCGS determines because when I was starting out I bought an off color cent for $10 from a friend who had saved it for years and it turned out to be plated. There are a lot around. That scratch on the coin... The way it darkens there, was the same color as the plating after I picked it off that cent and rubbed it between my fingers.</p><p><br /></p><p>That said, I do doubt it is an authentic error, and I feel bad that you spent the money. If you don't mind my asking, How much did it cost you including shipping to send it in? I have never sent in any myself but I probably should....</p><p><br /></p><p> I do not doubt it is an authentic cent. Semantics are all important to some. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="silentnviolent, post: 2149023, member: 8797"]Besides the notion that the dealer is a schmuck, it could also be that he was fostering an interest. When I first started roll searching I found, I believe, a 1961 D cent with some sort of doubling. I took it to the nearest shop where the owner and his buddy behind the counter that rarely speaks (isn't there one of those at every shop? ;) ) took a look at it. The "other guy" offered me $20 for it. One time offer no longer good when I left the shop. He did not offer to send it in. I passed and looked on my own to see if I was dodging a bullet. Turns out it was MD. I love that shop and now talk extensively with both guys every time I'm out that way. I have been a repeat customer for many years and they have been super knowledgeable later on when I had questions on gold pieces (another great story). I believe that $20 offer was made as either a test of some sort, or with the belief that any offer would be denied but still reinforce the idea that there was something more to be learned about it before trying to sell. As a more on-topic aside to my rambling, :) consider this: A metal disk in a certain thickness and diameter will weigh different amounts ONLY if the metal is different. I remember science class teaching that the two closest elements are lead and gold, and people have tried for centuries to convert one to the other unsuccessfully. Is there another (magnetic) metal so near in atomic weight to copper? I just had this same discussion on a local page for collectors I made on Facebook. I answered her simply by saying that if it weighs what copper should weigh given the dimensions, it cannot be any other metal. People tend to be impatient with enthusiasm and the killing of it, seeming and feeling like the troll under the bridge every time they have to be the buzzkill, but after a while they tend to deflect this feeling by advising prematurely and out of frustration to send it to a TPG. This does nobody any favors because now instead of being the jerk who peed on your parade, I (the advisor) am (is) the schmuck who gave bad, costly advice. I'm guilty of it myself, though generally only after someone seems to actively resist information being provided and explanations as to why something is not what it seemed or was thought to be. I still want to hear what PCGS determines because when I was starting out I bought an off color cent for $10 from a friend who had saved it for years and it turned out to be plated. There are a lot around. That scratch on the coin... The way it darkens there, was the same color as the plating after I picked it off that cent and rubbed it between my fingers. That said, I do doubt it is an authentic error, and I feel bad that you spent the money. If you don't mind my asking, How much did it cost you including shipping to send it in? I have never sent in any myself but I probably should.... I do not doubt it is an authentic cent. Semantics are all important to some. ;)[/QUOTE]
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